Online poker is it Moral


#1

I had a few extra dollars and played some online poker. I ended up losing more money than I expected. Did I commit an evil?


#2

CCC 2413

Games of chance (card games, etc.) or wagers are not in themselves contrary to justice. They become morally unacceptable when they deprive someone of what is necessary to provide for his needs and those of others. the passion for gambling risks becoming an enslavement. Unfair wagers and cheating at games constitute grave matter, unless the damage inflicted is so slight that the one who suffers it cannot reasonably consider it significant.


#3

I play online poker a lot but not with real money. everyone starts with 2000 “imaginery” money. and I played it up to 50000 in no limit texas hold’em


#4

Poker is a game and in the absence of money it is not gambling.

In fact, with the recognition of the importance of probability being key to the understanding of Quantum theory, poker is now almost mandatory for physicists to play as poker is simply the most basic way to learn and practice basic probability theory.

Playing poker is now almost surpassing playing chess on Boston area college campuses as a means of learning probability.


#5

This is ironic, I play good poker, but I still failed in probability theory test. what a full load of … in the test paper


#6

isn’t this what they call the “stupid man’s taxes?”


#7

First of all, poker is a game of skill, if you approach it correctly. But I think that’s the rub. Those of us that play live have probably seen the hopelessly overmatched player lose his money to all the players that knew what they were doing, and watch him leave and go to the ATM to take another wad of cash out as we lick our chops at the idea that we can pursue our edge over this guy further.

I think, then, for me it’s not a sin because I manage my bankroll carefully, play only games within my limits, and never play with money I can’t afford to lose.

But others, (less in online games), don’t have the same restraints and in a direct way, their lack of self control and understanding (maybe even gambling problem) leads to mine (and others) winning sessions.

But that in some ways, is a microcosm of the way our economy itself is organized. Using our talents to gain an edge in a variety of circumstances.

See you on Pokerstars!


#8

[quote=The Glidd]First of all, poker is a game of skill, if you approach it correctly. But I think that’s the rub. Those of us that play live have probably seen the hopelessly overmatched player lose his money to all the players that knew what they were doing, and watch him leave and go to the ATM to take another wad of cash out as we lick our chops at the idea that we can pursue our edge over this guy further.

I think, then, for me it’s not a sin because I manage my bankroll carefully, play only games within my limits, and never play with money I can’t afford to lose.

But others, (less in online games), don’t have the same restraints and in a direct way, their lack of self control and understanding (maybe even gambling problem) leads to mine (and others) winning sessions.

But that in some ways, is a microcosm of the way our economy itself is organized. Using our talents to gain an edge in a variety of circumstances.

See you on Pokerstars!
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Which is why they have a Gambler’s Anonymous as well as a Alcoholics Anonymous (as well as a Narcotics Anonymous).

Uncontrolled gambling is a sign of obsessive/compulsive behaviour and needs to be treated.


#9

[quote=Kevin Walker]Which is why they have a Gambler’s Anonymous as well as a Alcoholics Anonymous (as well as a Narcotics Anonymous).

Uncontrolled gambling is a sign of obsessive/compulsive behaviour and needs to be treated.
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Well us that do things to extremes give those in the middle of the road something to shoot for. No but, alcohol is not evil just the over use of it, but is poker evil?


#10

[quote=Island Oak]isn’t this what they call the “stupid man’s taxes?”
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pretty much, except that taxes go to support something that is, in theory, in the public interest… money you lose gambling online goes to line who knows who’s pocket.


#11

I chose “ok as long as no one is hurt”. By that I mean as long as the online poker does not become an addiction and drain necessary funds for bills and other financial obligations. As long as they can afford it and it also does not “take over” their life, it should not be a problem. Still, I would say “proceed with caution” but that’s just my :twocents:


#12

From what I hear, poker has almost replaced dating on some campuses. Whooooooooooooooa…have the women become too expensive…(too ligatious)?

Somebody mention stupid tax. Well an adolescent male is awash in testosterone which to me means that all his brains seem to shuffle downward about 3 feet, and shrink, every so often…maybe it has a bit of merit…stupid tax, hmmmmmmmmm.

Just to put some of my stuff in perspective…I have attended gamblers anonymous sessions (I found reducing my med intake for Parkinsons worked better than attending the sessions long term…way too many PERSCRIBED meds at the time, personal opine.) The stories they shared there were eye opening. Stories shared there stay there. It suffices to say that it all started somewhere…

Coherently or incoherently yours


#13

As Kevin Walker noted, poker is not gambling in and of itself, so every one of the options is inaccurate.

Wagering money is gambling regardless of the game - slot machines, poker, football, stocks, real estate…


#14

I find all gambling abhorrent, and have never udnerstood why the chuch allows Bingo to be played on its premises, especially when the Chuch had a tradition of forbidding gamblig.

I agree with Francis de Sales, when he wrote in the Introduction to the Devout Life that:

**Gain is not acquired at these games by reason, but by chance, which often falls to one whose ability or industry deserves nothing…Gain ought to be a reward for labor but here it is made the reward of chance. Chance deserves no reward whatever since it in no way depends on us. **

**Moreover, although such games are called recreation and are designed for it, they are by no means such. Actually they are strenuous occupations. Is it not an occupation to keep one’s mind caught and bound by unremitting concentration and disturbed by constant worry, apprehension, and care? **

In fact,there is no pleasure in gambling except to win, and pleasure comes soley from our companions’ losses and pain and is certainly evil.


#15

[quote=serendipity](Francis DeSales)
"Moreover, although such games are called recreation and are designed for it, they are by no means such. Actually they are strenuous occupations. Is it not an occupation to keep one’s mind caught and bound by unremitting concentration and disturbed by constant worry, apprehension, and care?I think the good Saint had a distorted view of what can constitute recreation. Many video games, board games, card games, as well as more athletic sports “keep one’s mind caught and bound by unremitting concentration and disturbed by constant worry, apprehension, and care”. Not to mention a good dramatic movie.

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“In fact,there is no pleasure in gambling except to win, and pleasure comes soley from our companions’ losses and pain and is certainly evil.”

I don’t think that’s true for most. But it is for some, who should not be gambling, and for whom it is probably sinful.


#16

Forgive me for sounding like a prude, btu I agree with him a lot. I think the same can be said of many video games and some board games. I think that recreation that is not helpful to your soul, spirit, body or that of other people (or ideally, all at once) is a waste of time. So many people are lonely. So amny peopel need help.

I loathe video games. I shouldn’t. I am a member of generation X. But they are terrible. people who grow up with them lose social skills and get tempermental when they lose. They waste so much money buying gadgets to make them beat the system, not based on any skills that are useful in life; like communication and analytical thought. They don’t cultivate morals and teach us how to get along with people or learn to be sensitive to others’ needs; in fact they predominantly instill the opposite values. And it’s disgusting that so many adults don’t grow away from them any more.

At least some baord games teach strategies and people interact with each other while playing; if not to win, then they bring up conversation. Decent conversation is becoming such a lost art. And knowing your neighbors such an anomaly. Not just knowing your neighbors’ names, but valuing them as people.


#17

In a related story, the Christian Science Monitor reports today that Canada is examining the social costs of gambling. Long story short: they may restrict things somewhat, but are unlikely to prohibit it.

Canada eyes impact of gambling


#18

Some things are better noted in their absence. If you or someone near you think you may have a gambling problem…well…show em!!! Do without gambling for a month or two and see if your life turns upside down. Better yet visit the pros at a gamblers anonymous meeting while you are taking this break.
See what ya think. Another give away…if every vacation destination has a slot machine or casino visit planned into it and your vacations become more frequent (retired etc). Granted the question concernd online poker…really what is the difference…ahhhhhh gambling it’s not weather ya win or lose it’s the size of the bet…ahhhhh.

Question…how do you help parents with retirement when every cent they have has to pass through a slot machine (exageration here but not too much).


#19

[quote="serendipity, post:14, topic:13539"]

Francis de Sales,in the Introduction to the Devout Life:

*Gain is not acquired at these games by reason, but by chance, which often falls to one whose ability or industry deserves nothing...Gain ought to be a reward for labor but here it is made the reward of chance. Chance deserves no reward whatever since it in no way depends on us. *

*Moreover, although such games are called recreation and are designed for it, they are by no means such. Actually they are strenuous occupations. Is it not an occupation to keep one's mind caught and bound by unremitting concentration and disturbed by constant worry, apprehension, and care? *

In fact,there is no pleasure in gambling except to win, and pleasure comes soley from our companions' losses and pain and is certainly evil.

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thanks serendipity i agree as well

thank you for the quote


#20

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