At my school, when we go to Mass, everyone does the Oran’s posture. I personally prefer to just fold my hands, but I cant really do that when everyone around me is holding hands. What should I do? I would stick out like a sore thumb if I didnt join in.
No, you probably wouldn’t.
If you don’t like holding hands and someone offers you a hand to hold and you refuse it, they might choose to take issue. I don’t think they would if your facial expression is friendly or if they go to take your hands and you have your head bowed, hands clasped and eyes closed already. As for praying palms up, people really do not care that much. If someone asks why you don’t and you just shrug and say, “I just pray the same all the time, with my hands folded,” they’re not likely to argue with you.
This is what you said in response to others expressing preferences, as you yourself do.
And this is how I responded. To which you are stubbornly arguing to some? end.
We are unique individuals who are part of a community. It’s both/and .
Salvation is not an ism either way, neither individualistic or socialistic. Salvation is for each unique individual saved as integral parts of the whole…as St Paul explains in his “parts of the body” talk.
Union with Christ in his body does not deny our uniqueness.
Our Hispanic community for instance, has unique expressions of religious culture and spirituality at Mass. They tend to be more spontaneous and charismatic, in the good sense of the word.
Would you have them lose their uniqueness and individuality so they worship “just like the rest of us”?
My point is that salvation and Mass are not for us individually alone, but for the community of believers. Our salvation is not unique, but in common with others who have the same faith. It’s not us and them, but all of us together. We’ll be in heaven with the community of saints, not just by ourselves.
I also understand that we as individuals seek a relationship with God, just as our brothers and sisters do. But it’s our union in faith which unites use.
At this point, I think we’re talking past each other.
I have stated multiple time, if people want to hold hands at mass, I have no problem with it. But they should not expect others to join in. And I am opposed to your idea that we are some how morally obligated to join in.
Of course no one is obligated. I don’t hold hands in Mass, I don’t shake hands either. If others want to do one or both, good for them. If they want to judge me because I don’t join in, who cares?
I feel welcome by Jesus Christ. That’s plenty of welcome for me.
There are no strangers in the Universal Church, only people we haven’t met yet.
Well, there is a chance He might say, “Friend, who appointed me as your judge and arbitrator?”
You just nicely indicate, “I can see your offer is kindly meant, but no thank you.” There is occasionally someone who insists, but honestly this isn’t something most people get that cranked up about.
So don’t wrangle! No problem!
OK, but nobody ever tried to grab Pope Benedict’s hand during the Our Father, true?
If the clergy do not see a reason to do this, why would anyone else?
There is nothing wrong with offering, at least I haven’t seen any posture proscribed in the rubrics, but it is necessary to respect those who don’t care to hold hands. It isn’t in the rubrics. They don’t have to. Mutual respect and refraining from judging anyone one way or the other is generous enough.
This beyond the pale. I wouldn’t get in an arm-wrestling match over it, but it is not kosher to force someone else into a particular posture that IS in the rubrics, let alone one that is not.
I don’t, either, but I don’t think it a cause for insult when someone does. That’s not to say someone won’t take offense or decide to get their feelings hurt, but they really don’t have a leg to stand on.
Again, if Pope Benedict had wanted hand-holding during the Our Father to be considered de rigueur, he could have put it in the rubrics. He did not. There is a reason for that.