Ordinary teaching of the Magisterium, but not infallible vs. infallible ordinary teaching of the Magisterium

how do you tell if a teaching of a bishop is infallible or not - according to the ordinary teaching of the Magisterium? One could hear the teaching of the bishop’s conference in a country but not know if it’s taught everywhere in the world or if it’s been taught both everywhere in the world, but also for all time. How do we tell? Contraception is one of those teachings - how do we know it’s infallible according to the ordinary Magistium all over the world?

Jimmy Akin of Catholic Answers as to Contraception:jimmyakin.com/2004/11/contraception_i.html

I’ve read that on another thread, but I was merely giving it as an example of my question not questioning that teaching.

Here is one resource for ya: cuf.org/2002/11/pillar-and-bulwark-of-the-truth-the-infallibility-magisterium-of-the-catholic-church/

Catechism: scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p4.htm#888

I am grateful for all your help in finding appropriate answers unfortunately they give the “rules” for infallibility however don’t say how those things are ascertained. Do we just go by what the media says (iffy) or something else? It seems I didn’t word my original question very well. I’m sorry.

It is not about rules. And right one would not want to go with the media in general!

As a Catholic one follows all the Teachings of the Catholic Church - infallible or not. So in practice one follows what one finds say in the Catechism and the Compendium, encyclicals, etc One lives and professes all that the Church professes and teaches. Now granted there are that which is a matter of Faith (like Divine Revelation, infallible Teachings…) and other matters where one gives rather “religious submission of mind and will” and matters that are matters of discipline (like one must fast on such and such a day)…but one embraces them all.

The riches of the Teachings of the Church etc are very vast - one would have to look at each matter to discover what kind of teaching it is. Somethings of course are quite obvious to us today - like Jesus is the Son of God is Divine Revelation and has much Christology has been defined by the Church - or that the discipline of Lent is a discipline that can be changed. Other matters make take a bit of looking into. What has the Magisterium said about such (the article above goes into such).

A teaching of a Bishop is infallible as long has he is in union with the Pope and the Teaching Magisterium of the Church,. If what he teaches is not, then we are not to follow him in that teaching. That’s why it is very important to know our Faith. And if we’re not sure, find out! The teachings of the Church are the same all over the world. That’s also why it’s important to have a copy of the CCC on hand. And of course catholic answers.com is great too. The Pope is infallible any time he teaches on Faith and Morals. Humane Vitae is a teaching on morals. It is the same for the whole Church. All you have to do is read it and you’ll see how the Holy Spirit was guiding Pope Paul VI in writing it. God Bless, Memaw

When what he teaches is part of what is infallible (like he teaches that Jesus is the Son of God). There are various kinds of Teachings of the Magisterium (including of the Pope) - and it is the Teaching of the Church that not all is infallible. Different kinds of teachings.

But of course we follow all the Teachings of the Church.

I think we have to be careful with the word “infallible.”

I get the impression that some people see Church teachings as falling into two possible categories: 1) infallible teachings must be followed; 2) everything else is optional or open to opinion.

It’s very rare that a teaching is declared infallible. However, that doesn’t mean that everything else is optional. Humanae Vitae might not be declared infallible, but as a papal encyclical it carries authority. On that basis, one doesn’t treat it as just one opinion among many.

Yes, one needs to look at things like religious assent of the will which tho’ not holding the mark of infallible is still something for a Catholic about which to be cognizant.

I think we have to be very careful how WE interpret the word Infallible!. It’s not nearly as rare as some would like to think. Anytime the Pope teaches on Faith ( what we believe) and Morals, (how we live that belief) it IS infallible. Humaa Vitae is part of that teaching. We can’t just pick and choose what we want to believe. We really need to do some serious studying up on what is truly Infallible. God Bless Memaw

Right is it important that we be interpret things correctly and understand this theological reality.

Thus we do not want to say:

Anytime the Pope teaches on Faith ( what we believe) and Morals, (how we live that belief) it IS infallible.

For that would be not true and actually would be contrary to the Teachings of the Popes etc.

It is not “anytime”.


Not all acts of teaching of the Pope on matters that involve faith or morals are infallible. They just simply are not. Does not mean they cannot contain too infallible teachings -but not all are. All encyclicals are not infallible.

The fact that Humane Vitae is from the Pope is not why one can say that the gravely sinful nature of contraception is infallible. (jimmyakin.com/2004/11/contraception_i.html)

brigid12 #1
Contraception is one of those teachings - how do we know it’s infallible according to the ordinary Magistium all over the world?
SuscipeMeDomine #10
It’s very rare that a teaching is declared infallible.

It is not “very rare”. Listen to the Church:
Vatican II (Lumen Gentium, 25) reaffirms this teaching: “The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful – who confirms his brethren in the faith (cf. Lk 22:32) – he proclaims in an absolute decision a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals.

Christ’s Catholic Church has explained what ex cathedra means re papal authority:
St John Paul II’s Apostolic Letter Ad Tuendam Fidem, 1998, Vatican I and Vatican II and the CCC.

The three levels of teaching are:
**1) Dogma – infallible (Canon #750.1) **to be believed with the assent of divine and Catholic faith.
2) Doctrine – infallible (Canon #750.2) requires the assent of ecclesial faith, to be “firmly embraced and held”.
**3) Doctrine – non-definitive (non-infallible) *and requires intellectual assent (“loyal submission of the will and intellect”, Vatican II, Lumen Gentium 25), not an assent of faith. [See the Explanatory Note on ATF by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith]
ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFADTU.HTM

The doctrine against contraception is infallible:
In Casti Connubii, Pius XI 1930, which refuted the disgraceful surrender of the Anglicans at the Lambeth Conference of 1930 to contraception, the doctrine is irrefutably clear, as well as in “Vatican II’s Pastoral Constitution on the *Church in the Modern World *(Gaudium et Spes) #50-51:
“In questions of birth regulation, the sons of the Church, faithful to these principles, are forbidden to use methods disapproved of by the teaching authority of the Church in its interpretation of the divine law. 14”
And to what does note 14 refer?
To Pope Pius XI’s Encyclical Casti Connubii, 1930, which teaches infallibly (#56) that “any use whatsoever of matrimony exercised in such a way that the act is deliberately frustrated in its natural power to generate life is an offense against the law of God and of nature, and those who indulge in such are branded with the guilt of a grave sin.”

**From EWTN Q&A: Answer by David Gregson on Nov-22-2002: **
“You are correct in stating that the Pope exercises his charism of infallibility not only in dogmatic definitions issued, ex cathedra, as divinely revealed (of which there have been only two), but also in doctrines definitively proposed by him, also ex cathedra, which would include canonizations (that they are in fact Saints, enjoying the Beatific Vision in heaven), moral teachings (such as contained in Humanae vitae), and other doctrines he has taught as necessarily connected with truths divinely revealed, such as that priestly ordination is reserved to men.

Thank you and God Bless, Memaw

In the case of contraception there is little problem discerning the binding nature of the Church’s teaching since on July 25, 1968, Pope Paul VI issued the encyclical “Humanae Vitae”.

After issuing the encyclical, Pope Paul VI expounded on that same teaching through 122 Apostolic Constitutions, 8 Apostolic Exhortations, 121 Apostolic Letters, innumerable homilies, letters and reflections.

Pope John Paul II delivered 129 addresses relating to the nature of marital love dubbed Catholic Theology of the Body, fully reiterating Humanae Vitae.

Pope Benedict XVI called Humanae Vitae “a sign of contradiction but also of continuity of the Church’s doctrine and tradition… What was true yesterday is true also today.”

I would simply compare the teaching of a bishop on contraception to Humanae Vitae, and if he is saying what is contained in it, he is speaking with the Church on it.

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If that isn’t infallible then what is??? Thanks and God Bless, memaw

Why did Cardinal Ratzinger at the Holy Office say that JPII’s definition on women priests was not infallible in itself, when it sure seemed to be. It certainly was more definite then the teaching on contraception, which is said to be infallible.

The Pope with one movement of his finger can fix all these problems and debates. Geocentrism use to be taught by the magisterium until Benedict XV changed that. Maybe things will go back and forth in the Church on contraception until the Pope finally stops being afraid and define dogma all day long. Let’s start a petition!? jk

Thinkandmull 318
Why did Cardinal Ratzinger at the Holy Office say that JPII’s definition on women priests was not infallible in itself, when it sure seemed to be. It certainly was more definite then the teaching on contraception, which is said to be infallible.

No real Catholic puts out nonsense.

On Ordinatio Sacerdotalis
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
October 28, 1995

Dubium:
Whether the teaching that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women, which is presented in the Apostolic Letter [Epistle] Ordinatio Sacerdotalis to be held definitively, is to be understood as belonging to the deposit of faith.
Responsum:
In the affirmative.

“This teaching requires definitive assent, since, founded on the written Word of God, and from the beginning constantly preserved and applied in the Tradition of the Church, it has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal Magisterium (cf. Second Vatican Council, *Dogmatic Constitution on the Church **Lumen Gentium *25, 2). Thus, in the present circumstances, the Roman Pontiff, exercising his proper office of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32), has handed on this same teaching by a formal declaration, explicitly stating what is to be held always, everywhere, and by all, as belonging to the deposit of the faith.”

Joseph Card. Ratzinger
Prefect
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#19
Geocentrism use to be taught by the magisterium until Benedict XV changed that.

False. Time to assent to reality. The Church has NOT declared infallibly that geocentrism prevails and it has NOT declared infallibly that heliocentrism is wrong.
The Church would be foolish to rule on scientific matters.

Maybe things will go back and forth in the Church on contraception until the Pope finally stops being afraid

Apparently thinkandmull doesn’t think, nor assent to doctrine.

**From EWTN Q&A: Answer by David Gregson on Nov-22-2002: **
“You are correct in stating that **the Pope exercises his charism of infallibility **not only in dogmatic definitions issued, ex cathedra, as divinely revealed (of which there have been only two), but also in doctrines definitively proposed by him, also ex cathedra, which would include canonizations (that they are in fact Saints, enjoying the Beatific Vision in heaven), moral teachings (such as contained in Humanae vitae), and other doctrines he has taught as necessarily connected with truths divinely revealed, such as that priestly ordination is reserved to men.”

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