[quote="oneseeker, post:1, topic:105206"]
the eastern orthodox teach that we have inherited the disease of death by the ancestral sin of Adam- the effects of his sin but not his guilt. There is a verse in Ezekiel that seems to back them up about the sins of the fathers and each dying for his own sin, not others.
yet the RC say we are born with Adam's guilt, which the eo blame Augustine for, saying he had a bad understanding of Greek, and an obsession with his early lustful life. :shrug:
How do I determine which is right, since both eo and rc come from the same early church? Do try not to say b/c of Peter/rock. The eo have arguments against that too. Not that it's a bad argument, but an overused one. ;)
I think it's safe to say that, in Catholic teaching, an injustice resides in man-and that injustice consists of the very separation from God-lack of faith, hope, and ultimately and most importantly, love for God-that we're born with in this world. This is the lost condition of man, which Jesus came to save us from. And so, in place of these virtues, in place of the grace to live them out, in place of the Holy Spirit that empowers us to live them out, is the rebellious attitude, the lack of faith, hope, and love, a preference for ourselves over and above God that we do battle with and which needs to be finally reconciled. So we either choose to carry on the family tradition by continuing on in sin or we turn away from it and back to God. While this condition can be referred to as spiritual death, physical death, in this scenario, is only part of the problem IMO.