Orthodox and Maronites


#1

Are any of the Orthodox in communion w/ Maronites?


#2

[quote="mark_a, post:1, topic:441208"]
Are any of the Orthodox in communion w/ Maronites?

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No. Maronites are Catholic, and therefore aren't in communion with the Orthodox. Nor is there a corresponding Orthodox Maronite Church. Why do you ask?


#3

[quote="mark_a, post:1, topic:441208"]
Are any of the Orthodox in communion w/ Maronites?

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Are you asking if there is an Orthodox equivalent to the Maronite Church?


#4

[quote="mark_a, post:1, topic:441208"]
Are any of the Orthodox in communion w/ Maronites?

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No there isn't any


#5

I find it a much more complex answer than some are apt to give. I have extensive interactions with Syriac Orthodox prelates, and if you asked them that would respond that we are in fact the same Church. Likewise, we intercommune very frequently. There is mutual acknowledgment of the legitimacy of each other’s sacraments and all their doings. Really, it is a matter of ecclesial organization.

So by technical definition, no we are not in full communion, it’s more complex than an unqualified no.


#6

There is NO equivalent to the Maronites in the Orthodox church.


#7

[quote="Herculees, post:6, topic:441208"]
There is NO equivalent to the Maronites in the Orthodox church.

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The OP's question wasn't about if there are any Orthodox equivalents.


#8

[quote="MorEphrem, post:7, topic:441208"]
The OP's question wasn't about if there are any Orthodox equivalents.

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Oh well, that was how I understood his question. I guess his question was not clear enough for me.


#9

[quote="MorEphrem, post:5, topic:441208"]
I find it a much more complex answer than some are apt to give. I have extensive interactions with Syriac Orthodox prelates, and if you asked them that would respond that we are in fact the same Church. Likewise, we intercommune very frequently. There is mutual acknowledgment of the legitimacy of each other's sacraments and all their doings. Really, it is a matter of ecclesial organization.

So by technical definition, no we are not in full communion, it's more complex than an unqualified no.

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I ju5t realized my keyboard i5 malfunctioning. Plea5 exc5e all the 5'5.

Here'5 why I a5ked:

I attend a Maronite par5h that ha5 5ome Orthdox attend and receive communion. Al5o, when the church wa5 dedicated, an Orthodox 5ub-deacon attended and wa5 one of the dignitarie5 there.

Thank you.


#10

[quote="mark_a, post:9, topic:441208"]
I ju5t realized my keyboard i5 malfunctioning. Plea5 exc5e all the 5'5.

Here'5 why I a5ked:

I attend a Maronite par5h that ha5 5ome Orthdox attend and receive communion. Al5o, when the church wa5 dedicated, an Orthodox 5ub-deacon attended and wa5 one of the dignitarie5 there.

Thank you.

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Orthodox are allowed to receive Communion at Catholic Liturgies with the permission of their bishop, among Syriacs, Melkites, Assyrians, Armenians and a few others this permission is presumed. At this event, I assume the Orthodox hierarch was made aware and was probably present or sent a representative. With respect to the Reverend Deacon, in most cases, among Syriacs, Maronites, Malankara, etc Orthodox and Catholic clergy are treated equally and asked to vest partially, for almost any inter Church celebration


#11

[quote="SyroMalankara, post:10, topic:441208"]
Orthodox are allowed to receive Communion at Catholic Liturgies with the permission of their bishop, among Syriacs, Melkites, Assyrians, Armenians and a few others this permission is presumed. At this event, I assume the Orthodox hierarch was made aware and was probably present or sent a representative. With respect to the Reverend Deacon, in most cases, among Syriacs, Maronites, Malankara, etc Orthodox and Catholic clergy are treated equally and asked to vest partially, for almost any inter Church celebration

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Yes, on this forum the few Orthodox participants we have tend to frown upon such practices of inter-communion, but it is far more widespread than many people think. My Orthodox cousin in Edmonton, Alberta (a convert from Protestantism) told me that his priest was reprimanded by an older Orthodox priest for not communing Melkite Catholics.


#12

[quote="twf, post:11, topic:441208"]
Yes, on this forum the few Orthodox participants we have tend to frown upon such practices of inter-communion, but it is far more widespread than many people think. My Orthodox cousin in Edmonton, Alberta (a convert from Protestantism) told me that his priest was reprimanded by an older Orthodox priest for not communing Melkite Catholics.

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Indeed, intercommunion is not unheard of in the Middle East. In the (Greek & Russian) diaspora communities of Europe and the United States, it is pretty much an absolute no-go for the Orthodox.
Again, Orthodoxy is by no means consistent in this regard.


#13

[quote="twf, post:11, topic:441208"]
Yes, on this forum the few Orthodox participants we have tend to frown upon such practices of inter-communion, but it is far more widespread than many people think. My Orthodox cousin in Edmonton, Alberta (a convert from Protestantism) told me that his priest was reprimanded by an older Orthodox priest for not communing Melkite Catholics.

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Indeed, but it should be noted that these Orthodox participants are exclusively Eastern Orthodox to my knowledge, and generally converts. I've been knowingly communed by the Syriac Orthodox patriarch and the Armenian Orthodox Catholicos - amongst Orientals there is no problem at all. And, as your anecdote attests, the AO are occasionally amenable to the practice as well.


#14

If it weren't for the Orthodox parishioners we might not be able to keep our Melkite parish afloat. In some communities you literally wouldn't know that there was a schism at all, but rather an administrative division. Some may find that hard to believe, but I'm sure many posters here are from similar communities.

For reference my community is officially Melkite, but includes equal portions of Maronites and various Orthodox (primarily Antiochian). I've even witnessed a Syriac Orthodox priest concelebrate with our Melkite Bishop. When we take care of eachother through difficult circumstances, in the homeland and abroad, schism becomes an afterthought.


#15

For myself, I think I would be ready to commune with Eastern-friendly Catholics in communion with Rome. I wish there were communities such as yours in my area, but there are no Melkite parishes here.


#16

Come and Visit. We are in Los Gatos, CA!;)

Fr. Sebastian Carnazzo
steliasmelkite.org


#17

[quote="Expatreprocedit, post:15, topic:441208"]
For myself, I think I would be ready to commune with Eastern-friendly Catholics in communion with Rome. I wish there were communities such as yours in my area, but there are no Melkite parishes here.

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We also have had a few Orthodox visitors commune with us. usually OCA people but I'm not certain that all were. We are a UGCC parish. As one visitor stated, it's about the liturgy, they don't really care that much which bishops and patriarchs the priest is praying for. Our local Antiochian Orthodox church also has Syriac Orthodox members who commune as well as Melkites (or so I'm told). The OCA church has quite a few Ethiopians also.


#18

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