[quote="wynd, post:25, topic:445558"]
Which, interestingly, was written by Rome to be followed by the Eastern Catholic churches.
:) of course. That's what unity is. We're ONE.
No pope ever accepted an equalization of sees.
in a desire to dialogue with the Orthodox in a bold way,
The CC suggested looking at authority in the first millennium prior to the schism. Sounds pretty bold....right?
But apparently it brought no comment by the Orthodox, who BTW, didn't exist as a "Church" in the 1st millennium.
Unless of course, you can provide where the name "Orthodox Church", first appeared, in writing, properly referenced in the first millenium..
Jesus already settled this argument over authority, by the apostles, started by Satan, and Satan keeps the argument going..
the apostles had an argument over this very issue in the upper room. Who is the greatest among THEM
[LEFT]Luke 22: 24 A dispute also arose among them, which of them was to be regarded as the greatest. 25 And he said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and those in authority over them are called benefactors. 26 But not so with you; rather let the greatest among you become as the youngest, and the leader [FONT=Arial]ἡγέομαι hēgeomai ] as one who serves[/FONT]. 27 For which is the greater, one who sits at table, or one who serves? Is it not the one who sits at table? But I am among you as one who serves. 28 "You are those who have continued with me in my trials; 29 and I assign to you, as my Father assigned to me, a kingdom, 30 that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. 31 "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan demanded to have you, that he might sift you like wheat, 32 but I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren. [/LEFT]
[LEFT]As one can see, this context was an argument over primacy of authority, not honor. Who was behind the argument? Satan. How did Jesus settle this argument?[/LEFT]
*][LEFT]Jesus validated "one" of THEM would be the greatest among them.[/LEFT]
*][LEFT]Jesus validated "one" of THEM would be the leader over them[/LEFT]
*][LEFT]And Jesus named him. It's Simon. Jesus prays especially for Simon that his faith won't fail through the sifting of Satan. Which means the other apostles get sifted too but it's Jesus prayers for Peter, that Peter will be the one to strengthen and confirm THEM through their sifting [/LEFT]
*][LEFT]Does Satan ever stop sifting? No! Therefore Peter's position is always needed[/LEFT]
the Greek word above for leader ὁ ἡγούμενος *, hēgeomai *]
1) to lead a) to go before
b) to be a leader
2) to rule, command
3) to have authority over
4) a prince, of regal power, governor, viceroy, chief, leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseers or leaders of the churches
5) used of any kind of leader, chief, commander
6) the leader in speech, chief, spokesman
*]Jesus didn't deny one of them would be over the others. He confirms it.
*]Jesus gave Peter the position he has. It wasn't by vote, or council, and since the Church lasts forever, so does Peter's position.
*]Adding that up, ὁ ἡγούμενος ] Peter is to
*]lead, rule, command, have authority over the others, govern, control in counsels, oversee all the churches, make stable his brothers, strengthen them, confirm them, is their chief spokesman....... and Peter's office is here till the end of time.
Sounds like Jesus is establishing the pope and the Catholic Church.
Peter is the leader of the Church on earth, and THATS how Jesus set it up. Anybody who divides from that is going against what Jesus established.