Our New Latin Setting for the Mass

Our choir director, a brilliant composer, today gave us the Latin Mass he composed. Obviously the Kyrie is in Greek. He gave us practice CD’s of it. It very nice, with the “Salvador mundi, salve nos” for the Memorial acclamation. AND we will now be singing the Introits from the missalette. He composed the musical setting for the first one for next week and it’s incredible. So no more possibility of banal music for the procession, at least, and we’re in compliance with the desire of the Church for more Latin.

Are any other parishes moving toward have the parts of the Mass of Paul VI that involve recitation by the congregation doing anything like this?

[quote=JKirkLVNV]Our choir director, a brilliant composer, today gave us the Latin Mass he composed. Obviously the Kyrie is in Greek. He gave us practice CD’s of it. It very nice, with the “Salvador mundi, salve nos” for the Memorial acclamation. AND we will now be singing the Introits from the missalette. He composed the musical setting for the first one for next week and it’s incredible. So no more possibility of banal music for the procession, at least, and we’re in compliance with the desire of the Church for more Latin.

Are any other parishes moving toward have the parts of the Mass of Paul VI that involve recitation by the congregation doing anything like this?
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I certainly hope NOT!

[quote=hollingsworth]I certainly hope NOT!
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Why not?

Not any that I know of but I would like to see a return to latin.

[quote=hollingsworth]I certainly hope NOT!
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I was speaking of the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Sanctus, the Mysterium Fidei, Amen and Agnus Dei. What’s wrong with that?

During Advent and Lent, we sing the Chant Mass, Graduale Romanum, 1974. I’m not familiar with the Mass of Paul IV.

[quote=prayingmama]During Advent and Lent, we sing the Chant Mass, Graduale Romanum, 1974. I’m not familiar with the Mass of Paul IV.
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The Mass of Paul** VI ** is the Novus Ordo Missae.

[quote=severinus]Why not?
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Because it reeks of innovation. Truly the ‘spirit of Vatican II’

[quote=hollingsworth]Because it reeks of innovation. Truly the ‘spirit of Vatican II’
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A choir singing the Kyrie in Greek, the Gloria, the Sanctus, the Amen, and the Agnus Dei in LATIN are innovations?

[quote=JKirkLVNV]Our choir director, a brilliant composer, today gave us the Latin Mass he composed. Obviously the Kyrie is in Greek. He gave us practice CD’s of it. It very nice, with the “Salvador mundi, salve nos” for the Memorial acclamation. AND we will now be singing the Introits from the missalette. He composed the musical setting for the first one for next week and it’s incredible. So no more possibility of banal music for the procession, at least, and we’re in compliance with the desire of the Church for more Latin.

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Sweet! Especially the part about the Introits. It’s nearly impossible to find a parish that actually uses them anymore.

James

[quote=hollingsworth]Because it reeks of innovation. Truly the ‘spirit of Vatican II’
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So, in your opinion, actually following the desires of the Fathers of the 2nd Vatican Council

[quote=the Fathers of the 2nd Vatican Council]“Nevertheless steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.”
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reeks of innovation and is the 'spirit of Vatican II" ?
Would you care to elaborate on that?

James

You don’t produce good fruit from bad trees. Bugnini was a Freemason, almost certainly. He worked closely with six Protestant theologians in the infamous Consilium. He and his buddies crafted a new Mass, (or as some would like to think, a reform of the Old Mass), shorn of at least 35 prayers; in which the ‘pro multis’ was messed with; in which the Mysterium Fidei disappeared from the actual words of Consecration; in which the prayers at the foot of the altar were removed; in which the Confiteor was bowdlerized to laughability; in which the primary idea of ‘Sacrifice’ was almost obliterated; in which the Last Gospel was removed, etc. etc. Bugnini made the Old Mass look like a plucked chicken. It was a liturgical crreation that would have done Thomas Cranmer proud. (In point of fact, Cranmer’s prayers were more beautifully written)
If some of you wish to keep pretending that the New Mass, performed with dignity and aplomb is good and honoring to God, as long as the guitars and clowns are removed, be my guest. I prefer to think that the Novus Ordo, with the New Mass as its centerpiece, is all but a new religion.

[quote=hollingsworth]Because it reeks of innovation. Truly the ‘spirit of Vatican II’
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Estne Novum Ordinem Missae solum quid recusas? Conditores multi musicam novam Missae Tridentinae scripserunt. Ratione tua hic scelesti fuerunt.

Latine respondeas, lingua latina enim Ecclesiae est.

[quote=hollingsworth]You don’t produce good fruit from bad trees. Bugnini was a Freemason, almost certainly. He worked closely with six Protestant theologians in the infamous Consilium. He and his buddies crafted a new Mass, (or as some would like to think, a reform of the Old Mass), shorn of at least 35 prayers; in which the ‘pro multis’ was messed with; in which the Mysterium Fidei disappeared from the actual words of Consecration; in which the prayers at the foot of the altar were removed; in which the Confiteor was bowdlerized to laughability; in which the primary idea of ‘Sacrifice’ was almost obliterated; in which the Last Gospel was removed, etc. etc. Bugnini made the Old Mass look like a plucked chicken. It was a liturgical crreation that would have done Thomas Cranmer proud. (In point of fact, Cranmer’s prayers were more beautifully written)
If some of you wish to keep pretending that the New Mass, performed with dignity and aplomb is good and honoring to God, as long as the guitars and clowns are removed, be my guest. I prefer to think that the Novus Ordo, with the New Mass as its centerpiece, is all but a new religion.
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Ah, another Cafeteria Catholic.

I think the Latin is a beautiful idea. I’d love to see our parish do something similar.

[quote=severinus]Estne Novum Ordinem Missae solum quid recusas? Conditores multi musicam novam Missae Tridentinae scripserunt. Ratione tua hic scelesti fuerunt.

Latine respondeas, lingua latina enim Ecclesiae est.
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I typed several humorous responses to this, but eventually some amount of prudence prevailed.

Can you please translate?

[quote=Pug]I typed several humorous responses to this, but eventually some amount of prudence prevailed.

Can you please translate?
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Pug, I’ll be happy to oblige as soon as hollingsworth responds.

I think I know! That said, I’ve got wicked in my translation and I’m betting you were thinking silly or wrong or something of the sort. Of course, I could be wrong all together!

If I’ve got it right, what can you expect when someone gets their information from a source that never gives you the whole story? They’ve just got a bunch of catchy words they like to throw around in their brainwashing endevours. :wink:

Which parish do you attend? I’m in Henderson and would LOVE to hear such a Mass!

[quote=SAHMVicki]Which parish do you attend? I’m in Henderson and would LOVE to hear such a Mass!
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Our Lady of Las Vegas. But…we’ve only just begun practicing it! If you can remind me, I’ll let you know when we’ll begin using it. It will be at the 9:30 Mass.

[quote=bear06]I think I know! That said, I’ve got wicked in my translation and I’m betting you were thinking silly or wrong or something of the sort. Of course, I could be wrong all together!

If I’ve got it right, what can you expect when someone gets their information from a source that never gives you the whole story? They’ve just got a bunch of catchy words they like to throw around in their brainwashing endevours. :wink:
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No, bear, wicked is correct (the word also means guilty or evil).

I think, though, from what you said in your second paragraph, you may have gotten it right. :slight_smile:

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