Harare, Dec 10, 2008 / 08:01 pm (CNA).- Caritas Internationalis is warning that the crisis in Zimbabwe is so grave that people facing crushing food shortages are mixing cow dung with their food.http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/catholicnewsagency/dailynews/~4/481157501
:mad: From what I remember, this used to be one of the bread baskets of Africa.
That’s awful But the lack of response to this thread illustrates other points I’ve been making in threads lately. One response to this atrocity, hundreds of responses to threads about issues regarding gay people and Obama’s birth certificate. So many people here are hypocritical when it comes to the Bible’s teachings. How many times was helping the poor and suffering (and I don’t mean the people who don’t work and go on welfare - but truly poor people such as these) mentioned in the Bible? How many times was homosexuality? People choose what it is easiest for them to condemn without bearing any responsibility.
A local talk show host in the SF Bay Area (Catholic educated Barbara Simpson on KSFO 560) has spoken about the Zimbabwe situation for years. She regularly interviews people who are still living there or are now living outside the country.
What can be done? Donate to Caritas? caritas.org/
Soon Mugabe won’t have a population to be dictator over…
That’s what happens when you take land from the rich and give it to the poor. The poor got their land, but don’t know what to do with it. So, famine ensues. Same thing happened in Mexico with Pancho Villa or wherever there’s a socialist or communist revolution.
This man kicked out the “white” plantation owners, I remember it quite vividly. I thought to myself that this sort of thing could never happen in this day and age, and it did, and nobody batted an eyelash.
Now millions of people are suffering and dying, and no one even cares. I heard Condolezza Rice sit there and say the US couldn’t do a thing about it.
The UN won’t do anything about it. They are all for population decreases.
And you are correct, siamese, no one is interested, and that is the biggest atrocity of them all. It is sickening. It is a lot like my coworkers spending company time commenting on line about Katie Couric’s hairstyle. Now we all need a little recreation now and then, but these people are clueless.
The problem is twofold: one, we all agree that this is a bad thing, and two, we all realize that there is nothing that we can do differently about it.
For example, I give to an organization which helps to feed people. Am I going to mention that? No. I might be encouraged to give more to this organization, or I might be encouraged to also give to another organization which has efforts in Zimbabwe to feed people, but I am also unlikely to mention that.
So, overall, there is not a lot to be said about this situation, and that is why there is not much discussion about it.
What are you doing about it?
She’s bringing it up as an issue, and getting sarcastic remarks about it. No surprise there.
Admittedly I am not doing much, although I am a student with little income - however, making excuses is in bad taste with this. The difference is I don’t go around claiming to be protecting people from evil and stopping evil at every turn and living exactly as God wishes. I don’t go around condemning people for being sinners when the sin is something I am not tempted to do or that doesn’t concern me. yet stays silent on issues that really matter because it would require me to do something. People can do something - they can donate money, hold rallies, and berate their fellow Americans and politicians about sending aid and doing something - exactly what people do now for abortion.I 'm not saying it can be fixed overnight, but it bothers me that no one responds to this, no one expresses outrage, sorrow, or prayers. This is an article about horrible and undeserved human suffering - similar to abortion, and yet it gets no replies or ranting. But if it’s an issue about a sexual matter or Barack Obama it gets 8 pages of horrified and angry replies. It just does not strike me as very Christian behavior. It’s the same thing as when politicians commit a crime - it seems that much worse because they held themselves up on a pedestal as the epitome of moral values that the public should trust, and rant on and on abuout the crimes of Washington etc, and then get caught in a corruption scandal because they couldn’t behave when it was something that affected them directly. Like all those politicians who spent all their time condemning gay marriage because they didn’t want to be married to someone of the same sex, but then get caught in a gay sex scandal - they condemned others as sinners, but when it came to their own private desires, they were no stronger.
Do you need people to report their work of charity to fit your bill?
Or maybe you’re looking for responses such as…
‘Oh my gosh, such atrocity!’
‘How can such a thing happen in this day and age!’
‘What can I do to help !?’
If you know, write it down and people will do something about it, else, they probably will make donation to the usual organization such as CRS. In this case, they don’t need to proclaim it to the world do they?
My respond is in response to your post.
Truth is, what can an ordinary person say. All we hope is that by this report, people can DO something about it.
While certainly I don’t expect people to brag about their charity work, I find it odd that I see such proclamations in response to other issues (mainly gay marriage and abortion) on a regular basis, but not in reponse to threads like these. When there’s a thread about Pepsi “promoting the gay agenda”, you get huge responses, with people proclaiming how they are boycotting Pepsi products and writing PepsiCo to tell them their views. When abortion comes up, people talk about how excited they are for their life marches and the letters they send to politicians to get them to be pro-life. At the very least, they do indeed make comments like “what an atrocity!” Why no response here? Why no call to write to politcians or donate aid? Maybe people are and just not commenting - but then why do they insist on proclaiming it on other threads? It seems like something is off.
For some reason I can’t edit my above post, but to further illustrate my point, please see the new thread a few threads above this one. It’s encouraging people to spend a lot of money tomorrow on gifts in protest of gay marriage - more specifically the call in gay day. At least one person is getting very excited to go spend money, with some saying they hope the gay people get fired. So these people would rather spend money on gifts from large store chains in the hopes of getting gay people fired or at the very least trying to make sure no one misses them enough to support gay marriage than proclaim they that are giving this money to starving people in third world countries. No one else sees a problem? They certainly aren’t being quiet about “donating” to the anti-gay marriage movement.
You say you are a student with little income. I assume therefore that you are rather young, like in your late teens or early twenties.
The problem with situations such as we see in Zimbabwe is that there is nothing we can do about them. Even when we send food, the food is taken by the government and sold on the black market. In Zimbabwe, the situation is even worse, because the whole thing has been caused by the actions of Mugabwe, the leader of the country. He promised land redistribution, but ended up giving a lot of the redistributed land to his friends. The owners of around half the land were white, who were also a very small minority, but they knew how to farm, and the new owners didn’t. Mugabe encouraged people who were not very nice to simply take the land, and a lot of people were forced off their land.
In addition to the above, Mugabe also set import duties and price controls which made it so that no one would send food for sale to Zimbabwe.
As a result of this, Zimbabwe, which once produced a surplus of food and exported to neighboring nations, now lacks sufficient food for half its people.
Here’s an article about what was happening in June.
The difference is I don’t go around claiming to be protecting people from evil and stopping evil at every turn
Any interference would be forbidden by international law, so we can’t do anything about this situation.
and living exactly as God wishes. I don’t go around condemning people for being sinners when the sin is something I am not tempted to do or that doesn’t concern me. yet stays silent on issues that really matter because it would require me to do something. People can do something - they can donate money, hold rallies, and berate their fellow Americans and politicians about sending aid and doing something - exactly what people do now for abortion.I 'm not saying it can be fixed overnight, but it bothers me that no one responds to this, no one expresses outrage, sorrow, or prayers. This is an article about horrible and undeserved human suffering - similar to abortion, and yet it gets no replies or ranting.
If you remember nothing else, remember that people have different things they do, *and that’s all right. *
Different people are called by God to do different things. Remember that the Church is the Body of Christ, and understand that some members will be fingers, others arms, still others toes, knees… Each has its function, but each has a *separate *function.
You are on a politics board–people are going to discuss political issues. This is not a political *issue, *per se, because there is no controversy. We all deplore what is happening there; we all are forced into a hands-off stance.
But if it’s an issue about a sexual matter or Barack Obama it gets 8 pages of horrified and angry replies. It just does not strike me as very Christian behavior.
Yes, because we can do something about that. We are upset about what is happening in our own country; we see sexual immorality and the harm it does to the families of this nation; we see what it is doing to the nation in general as an entire generation ages, having not reproduced itself sufficiently to even take care of itself, and yet asking for more and more in the way of help; we see what is happening to the children who are indoctrinated into acceptance of ever-more-bizarre sexual activity and the killing that accompanies that. We are horrified at the lack of respect for life–that someone can on the one hand hold that a man who commits a vicious rape cannot be subject to the death penalty, but that the innocent child he fathers can be.
It’s the same thing as when politicians commit a crime - it seems that much worse because they held themselves up on a pedestal as the epitome of moral values that the public should trust, and rant on and on abuout the crimes of Washington etc, and then get caught in a corruption scandal because they couldn’t behave when it was something that affected them directly. Like all those politicians who spent all their time condemning gay marriage because they didn’t want to be married to someone of the same sex, but then get caught in a gay sex scandal - they condemned others as sinners, but when it came to their own private desires, they were no stronger.
Ture, we are all sinners. But perhaps those who are most affected by the temptation see the dangers and fight hard against it, while still falling into temptation themselves from time to time. The fact that they committed a wrong does not make their statements that that activity was wrong incorrect, does it?
ETA: The problem is that you are looking at this as an either/or situation. *Either *people are doing something about moral issues in this country *or *they are helping the poor in other countries. This is not the case. The person arguing here about homosexual “marriage” might also be a driver for Meals on Wheels and giving money to international organizations which feed hungry people elsewhere.
So that I may not scandelize anyone, I am praying for these people and giving alms. Even if this contradicts what Jesus said: to pray and give alms in secret.
I think you mischaracterized the thread–it seems that all that was being advocated was to spend on the day money one was already planning to spend so as to counter-act the effects of the protest.
And this perhaps might answer part of your question: people do often discuss what can be done, in an effort to publicize. I would never have known about the protest, or the counter-protest, had it not been brought up here.
People like it because you can take sides on that issue. How can you side with someone like Mugabe? I remember first hearing about the corruption in the Spring 2008. I was shocked at the ongoing spiraling of infation rate.
Zimbabwe’s inflation rate is the worst in the world. Burma’s is a wopping 35%. To put that in perspective ours is between 4-6%. Can you guess what Zimbabwe’s is
over 12,000%!! That means you have enough money to buy a house next month that same money wouldnt be enough to buy the stamp to pay for the first payment! Its ridiculous
I had a professor who went their in the 90s and he said that when he order a class of orange juice the price went up within an hour.
Someone here said something about their co-workers fixation with Katie Couric’s hair, well I work at Target and we often talk about Celebrities but there is a guy from Macedonia who knows about what is going in the country and he told the other co-workers that people will go to other countries and bring back food rather than money because its not going to matter.
In addition there unemployment rate is 80%. This is remarkable because according to the rules that govern Macroeconomics, Unemployment and Inflation usually go in the opposite direction. Another problem, is the constant threat the opposition faces. THere is support for Mugabe but its quickly weaning. What needs to take place is for the leaders from neighboring countries to put more pressure on Mugabe.
It was former President Mwsawana who was the first to criticize Mugabe and called Mugabe’s regime a “Sinking Titanic.”
Something needs to get done but anytime Africa is involved I think many people have in their minds that its typical of Africa there is nothing that can be done so rather than look at the factors contributing to the problem lets throw in the towl.
To me people having to eat their own feces to survive should take precedence over Abortion or Gay Marriage but that is just my two cents.
Let’s imagine two group of humans
one group is eating their feces to survive…
another group, babies, is being killed, daily, in the thousands, by having their limbs torn from their bodies, heads punctured by sharp devices and brains sucked out by vacuums, bodies torn in pieces…all blood and gore…and get dumped in a ‘waste basket’.
which should be precedent ??
As horrible as this is, no one was condemned to eternal hell for starving to death. Those who proclaim sin is not sin and lead others to that conviction are risking that and endangering others eternally. Society (as it has done to one degree or another throughout history) sees sexual conduct in opposition to Christian chastity and love. This leads to spiritual misery and the risk of damnation.
Siamesecat, which is worse?
By all means everyone is in agreement about feeding the hungry. But illicit sexual activity and the endless misery it causes often leading to the death of the unborn?
Do you still want to belittle those issues?