Padre Pio quote (really?)


#1

A user of this forum is using a “signature” that surprised me very much:

The Jews are the enemies of God and thefoes of our Holy Religion
-Padre Pio

Did Padre Pio actually say this? This isn’t church teaching, is it? Silly question - I know it’s not. Why would Padre Pio say this, if he really did?


#2

[quote=nobody]A user of this forum is using a “signature” that surprised me very much:

The Jews are the enemies of God and thefoes of our Holy Religion
-Padre Pio

Did Padre Pio actually say this? This isn’t church teaching, is it? Silly question - I know it’s not. Why would Padre Pio say this, if he really did?
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The only place I’ve ever seen this quoted is on anti-Catholic or ant-Semitic websites, which makes it somewhat suspect to me. A reasonable person would have to see it in a little more official publication in context before commenting.


#3

I dont belive it but Pio was very conservative and human. Jesus and many of the disciples and his followers were Jewish. I do not belive Pio would say this. He is my favorite saint.


#4

i have heard this before - but i don’t remember where.

the reason so many in the church have had so much animosity toward jews in the past is because they are the jews who have rejected the messiah. the jews who accepted Jesus as Messiah comprise the early church, along with the gentiles who converted.

one can see that the catholic church has seen jews as the enemy of the church in that they are God’s chosen people - yet they have rejected God when He came in their midst.

i don’t say that the view should be encouraged today - we are commanded in no uncertain terms to love our enemies, so whether the jews are enemies or friends (i see them as friends, personally), our command is the same - to love them.


#5

Unless a person is willing to give you a source for the quote I wouldn’t count it as authentic. Their are many things I see quoted supposedly but there are given false documentation in footnotes from an anti-catholic book which source does not exist.


#6

[quote=nobody]Did Padre Pio actually say this? This isn’t church teaching, is it? Silly question - I know it’s not. Why would Padre Pio say this, if he really did?
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To answer your questions: There is no evidence Padre Pio said this. It is most certainly not Church teaching, even if Padre Pio did say it. If he did say (which I strongly doubt), why he said it is unknown to me.

Here are a few possibilities to explain the quote:

  1. It is authentic.

  2. It is false, and is being repeated here by people who don’t know it is false.

  3. It is false, and is being repeated here by people who know it is false.

There is no evidence for option 1. Charity rules out option 3. That leaves option 2 as being the most likely.

Consider: Padre Pio’s canonization is a recent event. It is in the news. If the quote were indeed authentic, where is the outraged news coverage about the Church trying to canonize an “anti-Semite”? Nowhere that I can find.

A Google for the exact quote turned up on a site for “recovering Catholics.” Hardly looks reputable. Note there is no source citation for the quote, and the page is headed with “Official Catholic Antisemitic Teachings.” Even if Padre Pio did write or say these words, they are hardly official Church teaching as a result.

The quote also appears here (a neo-Nazi site), again without source citation.

And then there’s this “Catholic” anti-Semitic site, which repeats the blood libel legend and mirrors the link above from the neo-Nazi Holy War site. Again, there is no source citation for the quote.

Here again we find the quote without source citation. Considering this site is some sort of weird pro-Catholic, anti-Semitic, Holocaust denier site, I’d take everything on it with a huge grain of salt. In keeping with the anti-Semitic, white supremacist theme, the quote pops up (again without source citation) on this neo-Nazi message board. The quote (unsourced) also pops up on the Catholic Pages message board with a link to the Who Is Right site referenced at the beginning of this paragraph. For other neo-Nazi-esque sites that reference this quote, always without source citation, click here and here.

Finally, I found the quote, again without source citation, at this location as well. This last site is a mess of anti-Catholicism, Oneness Pentacostalism, and anti-Pauline screeds apparently cobbled together by some sort of Messianic Jewish/Christian group.

So, Google comes up with nine sites based on my search. Of the nine, two are explicitly anti-Catholic. The other seven are white supremacist sites. Not a single one of these sites actually provides the source of the alleged quote.

– Mark L. Chance.


#7

I don’t belive it either. Remember too that no one is born a saint. Many people have been accurately quoted from before their conversions saying some anti-Catholic stuff. I imagine this would apply as well to before their “saintliness.”

There must have been some pretty anti-Catholics quotes from St. Paul early on if anyone had written them down.

Attempts to invalidate everything someone stands for by misquoting and/or taking a quote out of context is pretty common. Glad you were questioning it.


#8

If the Church of Rome has said Padre Pio is a Saint…then Padre Pio IS a Saint. A Saint would not make that statement. Therefore it is not a true statement.:wave:


#9

I like Exporters reasoning! :slight_smile:


#10

I don’t believe the statement is true.

I do know it is a statement of an anti-Semite.


#11

I don’t believe it is a statement of Padre Pio’s

I do know it is a statement of an Anti-Semite.


#12

I don’t have any reason to believe that the quote is genuine but there is the possibility that, if the quote is genuine, it is taken out of context. St. Paul says something similar in Romans 11:25-31:

[size=1]25Lest you be wise in your own conceits, I want you to understand this mystery, brethren: a hardening has come upon part of Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles come in, [/size]26and so all Israel will be saved; as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; 27"and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins." 28As regards the gospel they are enemies of God, for your sake; but as regards election they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29For the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable. 30Just as you were once disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31so they have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may receive mercy.


#13

i could see Pio say this… I wouldnt state it in this way, but if u want to stretch it i think you can make a claim that that statement is true to a certain extent…because Jews deny Jesus as their savior… and scripture does say that if u reject Jesus in this life you will be rejected by the father in heaven… i know i know … invincible ignorance and all that but all i am saying is that you can amke an argument that the statement is not incorrect totally… and also if u look at some older Church councils and official documents osme have made very strong statements aagaints the jews and other religions…(please dont quote the catechism and vaticam II , i know they speak in different terms all I am saying is that before vatican II the Church used different and stronger language–the teaching is still the same)


#14

the statement is an anti-Semitic statement. Period. IF Padre Pio said it, then he is guilty of making an anti-Semitic statement.

Jews are not the enemies of God. Pure and simple.


#15

I would rather suspect that Padre would say that “the Devil is the great enemy of God and therefore of our holy religion”.

Pio


#16

Their sure is a lot of condemnation of padre people who can’t come up with the source. Come up with the source before we declare Padre Pio an anti-semite.

Reminds me of the anti-semite slander thrown at Mel Gibson but no one had any evidence that he was or ever has been one.


#17

[quote=Maccabees]Their sure is a lot of condemnation of padre people who can’t come up with the source. Come up with the source before we declare Padre Pio an anti-semite.
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Exactly.

And even if Padre Pio did say these words, what is the context? When did he say them? As has been pointed out, there are passages of Scripture that, when yanked out of context, appear quite hateful.

And even if Padre Pio went through a bona fide anti-Semitic phase, so what? Did he later repent of this phase? If he did, God does not judge him for it, so neither should we?

Exporter’s post above notwithstanding, just because someone has been canonized doesn’t mean they are without sin. Some saints, Augustine of Hippo for example, were even guilty of grave sin, and yet through God’s grace rose to great heights of holiness before death.

I’m reminded of a comment by George Carlin, which I’ll paraphrase: We shouldn’t be concerned with derogatory words. We should be concerned with the racists that use them.

If this alleged quote from Padre Pio is authentic, our focus shouldn’t be on the quote but on the anti-Catholics and white supremacists so fond of repeating it to justify their bigotries.

– Mark L. Chance.


#18

I was bothered by this quote and so I emailed a shrine of his in New York City (at Saint John the Baptists) and they said they had never heard of such a quote.
Peace in Christ,
Frank


#19

[quote=katherine2]the statement is an anti-Semitic statement. Period. IF Padre Pio said it, then he is guilty of making an anti-Semitic statement.

Jews are not the enemies of God. Pure and simple.
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Saint Padre Pio would not have said this,I don’t believe it:p


#20

I think you all are ignoring the evidence or at least the potential evidence. Look at Pauls’s quote in Romans cahapter 11. He clearly calls the Jews “enemies of God.” THen he talks about their election as “chosen.” Pio, could have used the term in the same context as Paul. This would not be anti-semetic in the sense that we use the term today, but rather a hope that jews would except Christ. A hope that we all should have.


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