Papal nuncio: Catholic division undermines religious freedom


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South Bend, Ind., Nov 12, 2012 / 07:08 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano has told the University of Notre Dame that there is a concrete “menace” to religious liberty in the U.S. that is advancing in part because some influential Catholic public figures and university professors are allied with those opposed to Church teaching.


#2

Ironically, this was held at a place that invited Obama to speak. Always strong words, but no action from our church leadership.


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There is division because there are many Catholics are putting partison politics 1st, before Church teaching, particularly on the issue of abvortion


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Ironically, this was held at a place that invited Obama to speak. Always strong words, but no action from our church leadership.

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I wouldn't say that! Sounds to me like a direct dig at Prof Tina Beattie who recently had her lecture visit to San Francisco cancelled! See here for a thorough round up of the story.


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Papal nuncio: Catholic division undermines religious freedom
South Bend, Ind., Nov 12, 2012 / 09:08 pm (EWTN News/CNA)

Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano has told the University of Notre Dame that there is a concrete “menace” to religious liberty in the U.S. that is advancing in part because some influential Catholic public figures and university professors are allied with those opposed to Church teaching.

“Evidence is emerging which demonstrates that the threat to religious freedom is not solely a concern for non-democratic and totalitarian regimes,” he said. “Unfortunately it is surfacing with greater regularity in what many consider the great democracies of the world.” The apostolic nuncio, who serves as the Pope’s diplomatic representative to the U.S., said this is a “tragedy” for both the believer and for democratic society.

Archbishop Vigano’s Nov. 4 speech keynoted the University of Notre Dame’s Institute for Church Life conference. He discussed martyrdom, persecution, and religious freedom, with a particular focus on the United States.

He cited Catholics’ duties to be disciples of Christ, not elements of a political or secular ideology. He lamented the fact that many Catholics are publicly supporting “a major political party” that has “intrinsic evils among its basic principles.”

“There is a divisive strategy at work here, an intentional dividing of the Church; through this strategy, the body of the Church is weakened, and thus the Church can be more easily persecuted,” the nuncio said. Archbishop Vigano observed that some influential Catholic public officials and university professors are allied with forces opposed to the Church’s fundamental moral teachings on “critical issues” like abortion, population control, the redefinition of marriage, embryonic stem cell research and “problematic adoptions.” He said it is a “grave and major problem” when self-professed Catholic faculty at Catholic institutions are the sources of teachings that conflict with Church teaching on important policy issues rather than defend it.

While Archbishop Vigano noted that most Americans believe they are “essentially a religious people” and still give some importance to religion, he also saw reasons this could change. He said that the problem of persecution begins with “reluctance to accept the public role of religion,” especially where protecting religious freedom “involves beliefs that the powerful of the political society do not share.”

The nuncio said it is “essential” to pray for a just resolution to religious freedom controversies, including the controversy over the new federal mandate requiring many Catholic employers to provide morally objectionable insurance coverage for sterilization and contraception, including some abortion-causing drugs. The issues that the Catholic bishops have identified in this [HHS] mandate are “very real” and “pose grave threats to the vitality of Catholicism in the United States,” Archbishop Vigano said.

The nuncio also discussed other religious liberty threats. He cited a Massachusetts public school curriculum that required young students to take courses that presented same-sex relations as “natural and wholesome.” Civil authorities rejected parents’ requests for a procedure to exempt their children from the “morally unacceptable” classes. “If these children were to remain in public schools, they had to participate in the indoctrination of what the public schools thought was proper for young children,” the archbishop said. “Put simply, religious freedom was forcefully pushed aside once again.”
Catholic Charities agencies have also been kicked out of social service programs because they would not institute policies or practices that violate “fundamental moral principles of the Catholic faith.”

Archbishop Vigano cited several countries that have witnessed severe persecution like China, Pakistan, India and the Middle East. He praised the martyrs past and present who would not compromise on “the principles of faith.” While some forms of persecution are violent and cruel, others aim to incapacitate the faith by encouraging people to renounce their beliefs or the public aspects of their faith, in the face of “great hardships.”

Fidelity to God and the Church has “hastened martyrdom and persecution for many believers of the past, and of today,” he said. “In all of these instances, we see that the faithful persist in their fidelity to Jesus Christ and his Holy Church! For throughout her history, the Church has gained strength when persecuted,” the archbishop said.

Religious liberty is a human, civil and natural right that is not conferred by the state, he said, adding “religious freedom is the exercise of fidelity to God and his Holy Church without compromise.” “What God has given, the servant state does not have the competence to remove,” Archbishop Vigano affirmed.

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Archbishop Vigano is the Pope's official representative to the United States. He speaks directly for the Vatican, so American Catholics should pay heed to his observations on our faithfulness to the Magisterium and the Holy See. Does anyone disagree with Archbishop Vigano, particularly regarding his statement that many Catholics are publicly supporting “a major political party” that has “intrinsic evils among its basic principles.”?


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He cited Catholics’ duties to be disciples of Christ, not elements of a political or secular ideology. He lamented the fact that many Catholics are publicly supporting “a major political party” that has “intrinsic evils among its basic principles”


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:amen: Well put, Archbishop Vigano! :clapping::clapping::clapping:


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:amen: Well put, Archbishop Vigano! :clapping::clapping::clapping:

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There is division because there are many Catholics are putting partison politics 1st, before Church teaching, particularly on the issue of abvortion

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Why doesn't the Church speak clearly so there would be no mistaking a specific teaching? The language is vague, and was considered such as to cause an assembly of Bishops to revisit the language of the Faithful Citizenship prior to this election. It was released unchanged.


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He cited Catholics’ duties to be disciples of Christ, not elements of a political or secular ideology. He lamented the fact that many Catholics are publicly supporting “a major political party” that has “intrinsic evils among its basic principles”

The quote you selected is one that caught my eye too. Now, who would be “a major political party that has intrinsic evils among its basic principles?" Catholics faithful to the Magisterium and the Holy See have been saying this repeatedly here, but liberals continue to rationalize their support for Obama and the Democratic Party. Surely, as Papal nuncio, Archbishop Vigano speaks for Pope Benedict XVI.


#12

I plead ignorance on this one: what is a "problematic adoption"?


#13

Waiting for rebuttal from the usuals.:rolleyes:


#14

Gay couples. The Catholic Church has been shut out of the adoption business in Illinois and Washington DC for refusing to adopt out children to gay couples.

SamH can explain how this works.


#15

I suspect there are no liberal responses because rebuttal will be extremely difficult. How do you rebut the statements of the Papal nuncio with any other Church authority?


#16

Indeed. :wink:


#17

Where are all the smart remarks from liberal commentators on here?


#18

Crickets:popcorn::wave:


#19

I miss Rich O. :p


#20

It’s not that simple.

I don’t support the Democrats because of (c.f. Ratzinger’s comment below) their stances with respect to intrinsic evil. No Catholic here does.

Since you bring up Pope Benedict XVI, I’ll be happy to bring him up too. You will not mind me re-quoting him from the time when he was still Cardinal Ratzinger, the Prefect of the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith:

“[N.B. A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favour of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.]”

Link:
priestsforlife.org/magisterium/bishops/04-07ratzingerommunion.htm

And no, Ratzinger does not define proportionate reasons. Yet the USCCB voting guide contains the following paragraphs that are in line with Ratzinger and that further shed light on the issue:

"34. Catholics often face difficult choices about how to vote. This is why it is so important to vote according to a well-formed conscience that perceives the proper relationship among moral goods. A Catholic cannot vote for a candidate who takes a position in favor of an intrinsic evil, such as abortion or racism, if the voter’s intent is to support that position. In such cases a Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in grave evil. At the same time, a voter should not use a candidate’s opposition to an intrinsic evil to justify indifference or inattentiveness to other important moral issues involving human life and dignity.

“35. There may be times when a Catholic who rejects a candidate’s unacceptable position may decide to vote for that candidate for other morally grave reasons. Voting in this way would be permissible only for truly grave moral reasons, not to advance narrow interests or partisan preferences or to ignore a fundamental moral evil.”


Note that “other morally grave reasons” contains the word “other” – obviously other than abortion etc. There is no twisting of words that will change that.


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