Parents banned from watching their children in playgrounds... in case they are paedophiles

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Parents banned from watching their children in playgrounds… in case they are paedophiles

Parents are being banned from playing with their children in council recreation areas because they have not been vetted by police. Mothers and fathers are being forced to watch their children from outside perimeter fences because of fears they could be paedophiles.
Watford Council was branded a ‘disgrace’ yesterday after excluding parents from two fenced-off adventure playgrounds unless they first undergo criminal record checks.

Children as young as five will instead be supervised by council ‘play rangers’ who have been cleared by the Criminal Records Bureau. Councillors insist they are merely following Government regulations and cannot allow adults to walk around playgrounds ‘unchecked’.
But furious parents attacked the move and threatened to boycott the playgrounds

Concerns were raised last night that other councils around the country are adopting similar policies amid confusion over Government rules and increasing hysteria over child protection.
It comes amid an escalating row over the Government’s new anti-paedophile database, which will contain the names of more than 11million adults cleared to work with children and vulnerable adults.

You gotta be joking… Is this in the U.S.?

No, the UK but it will probably happen here eventually.

There is already some monitoring in some American cities and some states. In my home state parents are not allowed to enter the classroom or be alone with any child in a school building unless they have been finger printed and checked out with the police and the FBI. It is an unfortunate situation, but we can’t guarrantee that the parents in our schools are not child molestors, because many children have been molested by their own parents or by the parents of their friends when they go over to play or do homework. Some school systems are taking this threat very seriously. If you want to be a parent volunteer at your school, you have to be screened or you’re not allowed anywhere in the building where there are children, even your own.

We all know that pedophilia is not new. But today, in the ange of instant communication and access to information like never before, we have no excuse to not take every possible step to protect our children.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF :slight_smile:

We part complany on the part about “every possible”. That’s quite simply not a reasonable position.

you have such a balance to meet in a thing like this. To protect kids is a must. I am a parent and I can tell you I work hard to protect my own. But you also can’t go to extremes. I fear this might be one. It is such a difficult time to be just a regular person. No one believes anyone is really okay anymore. I know many are not, but there are some honest people out there. People not doing things like this.

Not to mention that the majority of pedophiles are unlikely to have police records since they’ve never been identified. My BIL was one and went ~18 years between what we think was his first offence to having his name come up in a police investigation. Someone knew about the first time but didn’t report him. Instead they made it possible for him to become a “Big Brother” with the unsurprising result. He’d have been seen as the ‘ideal’ volunteer for Scouts, Big Brothers, Hockey – all of which he was.

I have mixed emotions on this. If my kid wanted to play, I would let my DL be scanned and go in. If pre-approval was required, I would get it. A person can be ID to make sure they can buy beer. We have to be ID’d in order to fly. A person’s DL is scanned to enter public schools, as JR pointed out. In public, the police are allowed to protect the public. The parents that object to this always have an option of building and maintaining a private neighborhood playground. Perhaps if they did this, they might understand some of the reasons that these steps have been taken.

FYI - The title of the article is incorrect. The parents are not banned, unless they are sex offenders. They have the option of being “vetted” and entering the area. What this process entails should be very simple though. The schools do it in 5 seconds.

As a parent that is not a pedophile, I can see where this might benefit more children than it inconveniences.

However, just because all children can not be separated from all pedophiles does not mean that those who are known pedophiles should not be kept from children to the greatest extent possible. Your story should prove a warning though not to depend on programs like this to protect children 100%. The best pedophile is the one who was never caught. These will still be out there.

“We all know that pedophilia is not new. But today, in the age of instant communication and access to information like never before, we have no excuse to not take every possible step to protect our children.”

This level of paranoia is ludicrous.

Lets say there is a pedophile parent that comes in to reads to the class. NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN. To be dangerous, pedophiles need to be left alone with the child.

Nothing will happen on these playgrounds. What kind of lunatic would try to touch a child in that kind of environment? They would be instantly discovered and probably beaten to a pulp be the other parents.

BTW…this goes both ways. Many of us that do have some kind of contact with children make damn sure that we are never alone with someones child. I have coached both boys and girls soccer teams for years. I don’t ever want to be in a situation where someone can make false charges.

Well this is the most ignorant thing I have heard of yet. What makes these fools think that the “Rangers” will be any better at watching the children then the parents?

I hope this ban is lifted because of the parents protest against it. We need to stop punishing everyone for the evil of others. And parents should not be forbidden to be around thier own kids on a playground. This nonsense just has to stop, and the only way that is going to happen is with acts of well televised civil disobedience and protests.

People better wake up and start demanding that they are the ones responsible for raising and protecting their children, not the schools or the state.

We need to be sure that protecting “our children” does not include violating parental rights to be with their children. The only parents that should be kept away from their children are those who abuse or molest them. These restrictions should not be applied to the entire population. These kind of policies are going to lead us into a Police State.

Schools should have a way of checking in parents and visitors. They don’t need to fingerprint everyone that comes in. That is rediculous. Parents need to teach their children who they may and may not leave school with. That is what my parents did, and I followed their rules.

Finally, we need to start punishing the perpetrators of crimes against children and others. Instead of letting pedophiles live in the community, they need to be in jail for life. No parole. Just a life sentence. (I think some of them need the death sentence myself.)

Banning parents from being with their children, and demanding that every person who enters a school be finger printed, avoides what really needs to be done. We are penalizing the innocent with the guilty, and that will not end abuse or attacks agains our kids. Punishing the perverts that commit these crimes, in a meaninful way, will help stop these attacks.

This sound like it is just nuts. Preventing parents from being with their own children on a playground? Crazy.

This is the policy at my childrens’ school. I find it very comforting to know that no one is walking through the building without a criminal background check.

Nothing coming out of the UK surprises me any more. The inmates over there are running the asylum.

That is absolutely ludicrous. Why should they build their own playground when their taxes have paid for the public one?
And why should they be “vetted”, allowing the government to collect information about you just so you can take your own child to a playground?
It scares me that anyone could possibly find this acceptable, esp. and Briton or American but it looks like the English have sunk into tyranny and we are not far behind.

Why not subject people to psychological testing to see if they are pedophiles before they are allowed to have children? Why not let the government keep your kids at boarding school all week and then visit you on the weekend – if you’ve been approved, of course.

Apparently, the answer to any perceived problem is: the government knows best.

I don’t think that anyone is advocating a Police State. But I think that many of us do agree that something as simple as you can’t volunteer at any place where there are children unless you have a background check and if you are volunteering you may never be alone with a child, is not a bad thing.

I know that the policy in my own religious community is that there must always be two brothers when there are children or teens around. This protects the kids and the brothers from false allegations. All of our brothers must go through a police screening and have ample training on how to protect kids by identifying inappropriate behaviors in adults. It’s not a major inconvenience to the brothers and the parents appreciate it.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF :slight_smile:

You have misrepresented my post, although I do not consider it so much ludicrous as empty rhetoric. Not one thing, one thing you said is reflective of what I posted. I did not say that parents should have to build their own playground. What I said was they have, “the option of building and maintaining a private neighborhood playground.” To deny that this option exists suggests that no one except a government entity should be allowed to build a playground. What the article called “vetting” is an emotional word that implies an investigation. A yes or no sex offender check can be run in seconds. No information is needed to be collected.

Everyone has the right to an opinion. Insulting that opinion by calling it ludicrous does nothing but show that you have little value of the opinions you disagree with. It does little to address what I actually said.

No one is suggesting that parents be kept away from their children. On the other side of the issue, no one is advocating pedophelia. Yes, parents have rights. In public, they have the right to expect the safest environment for their children. If we would shoot all pedophiles as soon as we found them, that would make this a moot issue, but we don’t.

If a simple background check for a history of sexual crimes was run, with just a simple yes or no, and no information were collected, would there still be an objection? If so, do you advocate that all first offender sex offenders be executer or locked up for life?

Absolutely an infringement on parental rights by the State. Remember the family is one unit the encroaching socialist government must take down. The State must rule over every aspect of our lives and musn’t allow the biblical concept of the family to over-rule what they will impose upon us.

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