[quote=Marauder]Just because a practice has been around for 40 years, as you claim, doesn’t make it right.
But when it has been around for 40 years and the Church has never once said it’s wrong, you don’t get to claim it is either.
They haven’t added the position either. As I said before RS, the Ruberics, and GIRM are not meant as an all encompassing list. You are to get permission granted to vary from them not the other way around.
There is nothing to vary from as nothing is specified. That’s the whole point! Again, read the statement from the USCCB who has the authority on this.
The GIRM doesn’t state you can’t stand on your head and kick like a bicycle either during the Mass but everyone knows it wouldn’t be allowed.
As you say, that wouldn’t be allowed because it isn’t a prayer position. There are avenues for addressing abuses and all these ridiculous red herring examples would promptly be addressed if a congregation was to attempt them. What we are addressing is a long-standing position of prayer that the Church has specifically not said to stop.
RS was written to specifically address issues that affect the validity of the Mass and things that relate to the Eucharist itself. It wasn’t written to address EVERY aspect of the Mass and what was permitted. Hand holding was prohibitted in the document but it wasn’t allowed either.
With all due respect, suggesting that someone would go to all the trouble to write a document on abuses and skip the most obvious and blatant (if it were truly an abuse) is either very naive or very disingenuous.The priest stepping out of the sanctuary to shake someone’s hand at the sign of peace is not about “validity” nor are many other things in RS.
Whenever a clarification on something is requested of a Bishop, and baring something about it being addressed by the Vatican, then a Bishop is allowed to rule on it in his diocese.
To the best of my knowledge, when it comes to the liturgy, that statement is totally incorrect. Canons have been quoted here many times that show that only the Conferemce. with approval of the Apostolic See, can make liturgical changes.
The actual Conference has no say over a Bishop, it is only when that Conference says something and that thing is approved by the Vatican does it have a say over that Bishop.
And that is the situation here. The Conference was granted the authority to make those decisions and their decsion was “no position is prescribed”. An individual bishop either mandating or forbidding one would be “prescribing” which would be in conflict with the authority of the Conference.
As valid as many of your arguments are that maybe it **shouldn’t be ** allowed, there has yet to be an authoritative document shown here that says it isn’t allowed.
With all that said, I continue to call for charity from all in not imposing their preferences on anyone else or making any judgments about other’s devotion or piety.