Petition for youtube to cut out more Eucharist desecrating videos

americaneedsfatima.net/campaigns/E0084/youtube-protest.html
Even if they are not using real consecrated hosts, each being Jesus, it's maliciously motivated and thus, hate material, which is against their policy. Even if it would only encourage then, so what. I'm sure killing Christian martyrs delighted the Romans.

Thank you for that link. That is EXACTLY what Catholics should be doing on the web -- finding this stuff and protesting it to the authorities who are sponsoring it.

My humble efforts on another topic (same principle) are here:

payingattentiontothesky.com/2009/11/16/attacking-the-church/

Regards,

dj

More evidence that war has been declared on the Lord and His Church. It is difficult to be online and publicly Catholic because we are attacked by the secularists on one hand and the evangelicals - those who should be our brothers - on the other hand. While there are those who differ but understand, there are others who wish to defame and destroy the Church and all we stand for.

I assure you all, the day approaches when Catholics will be stripped of religious freedom, when financial support for the Church will be undermined, and when our very lives will be put in danger. I for one know where my loyalties lie, and it is not with the leaders of this depraved world, nor with the villains they coddle, nor with the culture of death and vice that permeates the very fabric of our day-to-day lives. I would sooner take up arms against any nation than forsake the Church that led me to my Lord.

Matthew 5:10-12 (NKJV) Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, For theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake. 12 "Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

And with this, we were warned this would happen, it was the same from the beginning, it is the same now and this trancends popular culture, trust me on this one, you will face persecution every where you go entirely because you are a true follower of Christ and are part of the body of his church.

Keep in mind here though, God always takes the underdog and rises him up, if we are considered the underdog as we are in society, just you wait to see what is going to happen when he puts his foot down on the matter. This is his church and he meant what he said that the gates of hell will NOT prevail against it. He said this knowing full well it would try, recognize the source of the oppression, it's not from man, it's from hell itself.

Stand strong, move forward boldly, for he goes before us, fear no evil and proclaim the good news of Jesus Christ to all men!

Christ is risen, He is invincible to their desecration. The only thing that's being desecrated is themselves. We should pray for these troubled souls.

Prodigal Son, good thoughts, but why are you using the Septuaginy-deficient and text-corrupted (like "alone" added after "faith") Protestant KJV, when there's so many Catholic Bibles (the best being the Vulgate followed by its Douay-Rheims translation)?

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Prodigal Son, good thoughts, but why are you using the Septuaginy-deficient and text-corrupted (like "alone" added after "faith") Protestant KJV, when there's so many Catholic Bibles (the best being the Vulgate followed by its Douay-Rheims translation)?

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I know full well the differences between versions of the bible, it still doesn't make the bulk of what is written in any way deficient, and in this case, it says exactly the same as the Catholic approved ones with the above quote. This was just the first googled spot I could cut and paste from, didn't feel a need to go elsewhere.

[quote="losh14, post:3, topic:177419"]
More evidence that war has been declared on the Lord and His Church. It is difficult to be online and publicly Catholic because we are attacked by the secularists on one hand and the evangelicals - those who should be our brothers - on the other hand. While there are those who differ but understand, there are others who wish to defame and destroy the Church and all we stand for.

I assure you all, the day approaches when Catholics will be stripped of religious freedom, when financial support for the Church will be undermined, and when our very lives will be put in danger. I for one know where my loyalties lie, and it is not with the leaders of this depraved world, nor with the villains they coddle, nor with the culture of death and vice that permeates the very fabric of our day-to-day lives. I would sooner take up arms against any nation than forsake the Church that led me to my Lord.

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Honestly man, are you kidding? Our church is not at war, stop being so paranoid. This is one thing I hate about not only Catholics but Christians in general, that we always play the victim, were always being 'persecuted'. Guys, Ancient Rome is dead and gone, we are the majority. If anything I believe Christianity (the Church in paticular) is expriancing a revival. And besides, what about turning the other cheek? What since there mean to us where gonna be mean back? Thats a return to the old eye for a eye deal. Bear wrongs patientially.

Also, I hate it when people freak out over stupid stuff like this or that Curb Your Enthusiasm episode, but dont utter a peep when the state legistlature of Conneticut tries passing a law putting the financial affairs of the Church in the hands of the state. Really, does some idiotic gesture of someones view of Catholiscm ever really effect the way you view the Church? Of course not, so dont bother with it! Its stupid, its just words and actions that mean NOTHING. The more attention you give them the more there encouraged to do more and even go farther. Take it from a former satanist, they love the attention.

Wow! I never knew about this before. What a bunch of bigots to desecrate Jesus like that.

When Christ is offended, we can’t turn his cheek. Unfortunately, we offend him by sins, but those who care do so from weakness; not malice. I’m sure the screams of Christians excited their Roman persecutors. The can turn their cheek, but shouldn’t those who care stop the persecutors nonetheless? Do radicals care when their actions purposefully egg us on?; why then, should we be concerned if we get them stirred up? Proactively, tackling contraception, abortion, etc. seems to make hypocrites of those “tolerant”, “relativist”, “multicultural” types who call us hypocrites for our misbehavior as being fellow humans trying to be good with all garbage the Left surrounds us with. If we do nothing, would it not say we don’t care? If they desecrate Jesus, do we just wait it out so they might not do it more? Bishops not taming the radicals since the 60s has made them all the more bold. Do justice to the situation; don’t worry about the Leftist reactionaries childish temper tantrums. Handle those as they come.
You don’t get it. The Freemasons declared war against the Catholic Church. Protestants joined it, then once very Catholic countries, then Weinmar Republic type eugenicists, the communists, and those agitated by the latter, like gays, environmentalists, anti-war people, and civil rights marchers (up until the Masonic types were able to violate different kind of peoples’ rights) etc.–the aims being to undo the Judeo-Christian influence, upset sovereignties (esp. Catholic ones) and break up families. Read “Alta Vendita”. It’s a quick read.

If we get persecuted, it’ll straighten out the heads of a lot of Let’s just get along clergy and their fans, but it will not be just and should not be hoped for, as many would outright apostasize in fear and beautiful Catholic churches would be more wrecked than the wreckovater clergy that wasted money on reconciling them to the new age. I’m, just saying God would bring a greater good of it.

The inspiration for any desecration of the Eucharist is diabolical in origin, and we as Catholics should be alarmed. Our battle is not with men, but with the principalities and powers that orchestrate all the evil in the world.

Fr. Bing Arellano, spiritual director of the Alliance of the Holy Family Int’l., explains the centrality of Jesus Christ in the Catholic Church teachings on Deliverance Ministry and Exorcism.

Deliverance Ministry:

youtube.com/watch?v=SXF1HxGXIx0

youtube.com/watch?v=2uaqmREIP3k

Centrality of Christ:

youtube.com/watch?v=MqLodwnJeS0

youtube.com/watch?v=mdaFaF0czoQ

youtube.com/watch?v=mdaFaF0czoQ

More episodes can be found here…

Alliance of the Holy Family International (AHFI)

youtube.com/user/AHFInternational

Make this into a favorite:

bible.oremus.org/

has a half-dozen translations ready for you.

dj

[quote="djeter, post:12, topic:177419"]
Make this into a favorite:

bible.oremus.org/

has a half-dozen translations ready for you.

dj

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Good little database they have running there, thank you for that link. I have to add here, we have many protestants that are afraid to even open up a Catholic bible, we really should reveal to them it's not foreign, altered, or adjusted to just our faith, that it should be their bible as well, not just ours, and to ommit it from their library's is cutting themselves short.

[quote="RedIvan3, post:8, topic:177419"]
Honestly man, are you kidding? Our church is not at war, stop being so paranoid. This is one thing I hate about not only Catholics but Christians in general, that we always play the victim, were always being 'persecuted'. Guys, Ancient Rome is dead and gone, we are the majority. If anything I believe Christianity (the Church in paticular) is expriancing a revival. And besides, what about turning the other cheek? What since there mean to us where gonna be mean back? Thats a return to the old eye for a eye deal. Bear wrongs patientially.

Also, I hate it when people freak out over stupid stuff like this or that Curb Your Enthusiasm episode, but dont utter a peep when the state legistlature of Conneticut tries passing a law putting the financial affairs of the Church in the hands of the state. Really, does some idiotic gesture of someones view of Catholiscm ever really effect the way you view the Church? Of course not, so dont bother with it! Its stupid, its just words and actions that mean NOTHING. The more attention you give them the more there encouraged to do more and even go farther. Take it from a former satanist, they love the attention.

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I would be careful about attacking Christians for being on their guard. Yes, we are well aware that ancient Rome is dead. But that is a very limited viewpoint. Are you aware that in Vietnam priests and Catholic faithful are being beaten, burned and thrown out of windows for wearing religious garb in public? Do you know that many Catholic priests in the Middle East and Egypt have to do radio and TV shows from underground, because their lives are constantly in danger? Even here in America, where we are at least safe, the media loves to bring up decade old controversies to sell newspapers, and talk show hosts who claim to be Catholic disrespectfully try to "correct" our bishops? Open yours eyes, this may not be ancient Rome, but true Christians are absolutely not a majority.

And it is our duty to spread Christianity, even when it may be unpopular or mocked. It would be selfish to be quiet and let everyone believe and say what they want, when we have such a beautiful truth to share.

I can't help but be somewhat confused about your comment about the Connecticut legislature as well. I am from Connecticut...and Bishop Lori did an excellent job getting the word out about this faulty legislation. Did you watch the media in the days after they tried to pass this? Thousands upon thousands of Christians showed up at the capitol, including many from my own parish, and the bill was quickly killed. I think the fact that Catholics are so "paranoid", as you said, is the reason we are vigilant enough to spot when blatant anti-Catholicism pops up.

If we all keep quiet and pretend Christianity is doing just fine, it is quite obvious that it is not. We were never supposed to be the silent majority, we are an active minority fighting a culture that does not like our ideals.

I am sorry if I sounded aggressive at all, but I don't think its right to stand against people who are simply trying to push back against this awful secular culture, rather than sit back and try to blend into it. Abortion is rampant, pornography and teen sex is socially acceptable, drug use is through the roof, we are most certainly not living in a Christian world.

Peace and blessings,
Frank

[quote="Cominghome89, post:14, topic:177419"]
I would be careful about attacking Christians for being on their guard. Yes, we are well aware that ancient Rome is dead. But that is a very limited viewpoint. Are you aware that in Vietnam priests and Catholic faithful are being beaten, burned and thrown out of windows for wearing religious garb in public? Do you know that many Catholic priests in the Middle East and Egypt have to do radio and TV shows from underground, because their lives are constantly in danger? Even here in America, where we are at least safe, the media loves to bring up decade old controversies to sell newspapers, and talk show hosts who claim to be Catholic disrespectfully try to "correct" our bishops? Open yours eyes, this may not be ancient Rome, but true Christians are absolutely not a majority.

And it is our duty to spread Christianity, even when it may be unpopular or mocked. It would be selfish to be quiet and let everyone believe and say what they want, when we have such a beautiful truth to share.

I can't help but be somewhat confused about your comment about the Connecticut legislature as well. I am from Connecticut...and Bishop Lori did an excellent job getting the word out about this faulty legislation. Did you watch the media in the days after they tried to pass this? Thousands upon thousands of Christians showed up at the capitol, including many from my own parish, and the bill was quickly killed. I think the fact that Catholics are so "paranoid", as you said, is the reason we are vigilant enough to spot when blatant anti-Catholicism pops up.

If we all keep quiet and pretend Christianity is doing just fine, it is quite obvious that it is not. We were never supposed to be the silent majority, we are an active minority fighting a culture that does not like our ideals.

I am sorry if I sounded aggressive at all, but I don't think its right to stand against people who are simply trying to push back against this awful secular culture, rather than sit back and try to blend into it. Abortion is rampant, pornography and teen sex is socially acceptable, drug use is through the roof, we are most certainly not living in a Christian world.

Peace and blessings,
Frank

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Oh well I meant in America. China is also a hotspot of Christian persecution, although that is changing. American Christians tend to play the persecution card but in reality Christianity is making a big time revival among the youth. So were looking at a resurgence in the next 20 years.

Yeah Bishop Lori handled it extremely well, and the Republican party in Stamford is going make a serious effort that the man who started the legislation, Andrew McDonald, is out of office next year. But although News 12 documented it and was fair in its reporting, I didnt see Bill Donahue mention the bill, he was too busy talking about how the Da Vinci Code is evil. Neither was Fox News, which was busy talking about holiday trees. Then we dont see Donahue report on the recent murders of priests all over the world, or the persecution in Vietnam or the Middle East as you reported. He's too busy with things that dont matter.

The point is that these stupid "attacks" on Christianity dont matter and we should stop paying attention to them, and look for real attacks like the McDonald bill and others.

And you werent too aggressive, you made some very valid points and I applaud you for that.

Fair point. I understand your concern, that people often place a lot of emphasis on the less serious "attacks" on Christianity by the secular culture. I tend to not worry about it too much though, because even if its misguided, these constant reminders that the secular world doesn't like us tend to keep Catholics on their toes. Granted, anti-Catholic legislation is much, much more serious than a holiday tree, but even things like the Da Vinci code must be addressed because so many uninformed people unfortunately take them seriously.

And as for a renewal in Christianity with the youth, I pray you are right. Many more traditional orders are thriving, and we are seeing much better, fuller seminaries, especially around here in Connecticut. Keep praying for the youth! God-willing, we can move beyond the liberalism that crept in after Vatican II and the Church will be strengthened.

Remember to keep praying for the secular culture, they may or may not be a majority, but they sure do have a lot to say, and sadly, people seem to listen.

Peace and blessings,
Frank

Frank, I think we have the same position.

I agree, we need to address these little blasphemies but we should address and give a rebuttal on why they are wrong. I think in the case of the Da Vinci Code the Church should give a statement, perhaps make a documentry or book countering the claims, and leave it alone, not this circus set up by Donahue and the fellows from ANF. I think we pretty much did that, but in the future these things should be addressed in a well ordered look, not a witchunt.

And yea I was at a youth conference in Rhode Island a few months ago, things are DEFINATLY looking up for the RCC. The faith in this kids was intense, like I havent seen stuff like this in the holiest of places around the holiest of people. I had to leave the area it was just overwhelming.

Keep on praying for vocations and holy lay Catholics for our future generations.

As for the whole Da Vinci code nonsense, the only thing that needs to be addressed is the fact that Dan Brown claims to be a well-researching historian. His book claims that all information on ancient texts, rituals, etc. are accurate, which is utter nonsense. He can make all the stupid claims he likes in his book, but he may not deceive people with the false notion that his books are anything more than fiction.

Matthew Arnold did a wonderful audio series, I believe it is called “The Da Vinci Code Exposed” as well as a book, about the flaws of the Da Vinci Code, with some really good, solid facts on Mr. Brown’s supposed research. I suggest everyone check it out and pass it on, especially to people who think the ridiculous claims about the “lost” (read: heretical and dismissed by the early Church) gnostic gospels have any merit.

Again, I understand your disagreement with the people who seem to take certain issues too far, but the way I see it there is no use creating division by denouncing fellow Catholics with good intentions. They may be going at things differently, but I don’t think publicly speaking like that really helps any cause of ours, IMHO.

Peace and blessings,
Frank

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