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The full summary of GFR Ellis's article on this is now available on the Magis Center of Reason and Faith website:
The last article (a summary of the previous summaries ;) and giving the philosophic issues themselves) is atmagisreasonfaith.org/new%20at%20magis/philosophic-issues-in-cosmology-6the-issues-themselves/
Reasoned comments, positive or negative, would be much appreciative.
Trouble is Anselm that there are so many threads on faith and science that one could find one repeating oneself, if you pardon the pun. Anyway, I read some of the stuff on the recommended site and I am so fed up with this sort of MODERNISM that I have decided to make a stand, just to get the subject aired for once and for all.
Let me first ask what in God's name is SCIENCE these days? Let me quote from this popular site:
Put your faith in science
Don't be afraid of the discoveries of dark matter and black holes. Science can shed a light on faith.
"How can you believe in evolution?" a Christian woman accuses me. I explain that I don't believe in evolution. I accept evolution as a scientific theory in the same way I accept the theory of gravity. In 2006 National Geographic News reported that only 14 percent of Americans thought evolution is "definitely true." A third rejects the idea. Only people in Turkey have a lower rate of acceptance of Darwin's discoveries.
Americans are becoming more and more scientifically illiterate. We often fail to distinguish between different kinds of knowledge-theological, philosophical, humanistic, and scientific. Scientific knowledge, by definition, is always revisable, but that does not mean it is untrue. All scientific knowledge is theoretical. A theory holds until someone comes along disproving the theory and offers a better explanation. Truth for science means "that which has not been disproven." The "law of gravity" is "just a theory" in which we have a whole lot of confidence.
Those who resist science are not defending our faith. The bishops at the Second Vatican Council in Gaudium et Spes affirmed the "rightful independence of science," warning against the attitude "that faith and science are mutually opposed." In just the past few decades we have learned more about the universe than all the humans who came before us. The 13.7-billion-year-old universe is expanding at an accelerating rate; the fossil record demonstrates evolution. Without evolution the vaccines and pills so many take would be little more than snake oil. Without science, all our technological gadgets, from TVs to computers to cell phones, would not exist.
First of all Fr Richard G. Malloy, S.J., describes the 'science' he tells us can be good for our Catholic faith, the science that enters into theories (because it does not know the facts mainly because it will never know the facts but pretends it will some day know all the facts - just like God, nay better than God, for in Genesis they tell us He preferred myths and stories rather than facts). The theories he brings up are of course theories that conflict with the traditional understandings of many aspects of Catholicism including de fide dogmas. He then offers the likes of FOSSILS as 'demonstrating' evolution when in fact the dogs in the streets know all the fossils they have to demonstrate with could fit in one coffin. But enough of that banned subject, and rightly so.
Vatican II with its "rightful independence of science," is another modern departure from traditional WISDOM, that never gave science such independence to Catholics, but made it subject to theology.
‘The knowledge proper to this science of theology comes through divine revelation and not through natural reason. Therefore, it has no concern to prove principles of other sciences, but only to judge them. Whatever is found in other sciences contrary to any truth of this science of theology must be condemned as false.’ --- (ST, I, Q 1, a 6, ad 2).
Now what good in God's name can come from subjecting any aspect of Catholicism to theories that have no reality in them. Imaging resting the creative act by God on the theory of a Big Bang. Next year the same scientists could be laughing at the idea of an atomic explosion in which matter accumulated after the bang (unlike any other explosion that never results in accumulation.) What then for the dogma of creation associated with the theory that could become a big 'scientific' mistake.
I could go on. I am now convinced that the LAST thing the Catholic faith need to have anything to do with is 'science'. Catholicism is about faith, in an ex nihilo creative act of God, with all now working only because of His concursus and not because of natural 'scientific laws', and miracles, dozens and dozens of them, all 'alien to science' if you pardon a pun again. True science, that is what we have learned about the things around us in nature is different. Its revelations show the true wonder of nature, the true omnipotence of God. For example, the discovery that every snowflake has a different structure, that the number of stars are as numerous as the numbers of grains of sand on earth as the Bible says somewhere. Indeed if anyone want to know the anti biblical aims of science I once saw on TV that guy who stars in Jurassic Pakk on a cosmology programme (to give it more credibility?) saying that there were TWICE as many stars as grains of sand on earth. Yeh, twice as good a scientist as the Bible.