Picture worth 1000 words???


#1

Well, it looks to me like there were more than a few “fringe radical Muslims” in Afghanistan who were looking for Christian blood.

It makes it hard to swallow what I read here posted by other Muslims.

articles.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20060322050709990001&cid=842

This is from AOL, not jihadwatch or some other “anti Muslim” site as so called by many here.

God Bless this man and his faith!


#2

There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, how many people were in that protest?


#3

By the way, I don’t trust anything from any media organization, American media or not, all media has some kind of bias.


#4

[quote=Emad]There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, how many people were in that protest?
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That makes absolutely no sense. How could all 1.2 billion Muslims have been at that protest even if they wanted to be?


#5

[quote=Emad]By the way, I don’t trust anything from any media organization, American media or not, all media has some kind of bias.
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Including the ones who happen to report things you agree with??


#6

I’m just glad that man is safely out of Afghanistan.

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#7

[quote=MrS]Including the ones who happen to report things you agree with??
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Yes! :slight_smile:


#8

[quote=Eden]That makes absolutely no sense. How could all 1.2 billion Muslims have been at that protest even if they wanted to be?
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Not at that particular protest, but they could have protested in their own countries.

By the way, I like your name! Eden, very nice! :slight_smile:


#9

[quote=Emad]There are 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, how many people were in that protest?
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Too many Emad.

I hope you have been well.

I’m sure you understand my feelings about my Christian brothers. I have read many of your posts concerning your Muslim brothers.


#10

[quote=iamrefreshed]Too many Emad.

I hope you have been well.

I’m sure you understand my feelings about my Christian brothers. I have read many of your posts concerning your Muslim brothers.
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Yes and I would like to assure you that I am against anyone laying a finger on this man.


#11

[quote=Emad]Yes and I would like to assure you that I am against anyone laying a finger on this man.
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I have no doubt about that Emad. I only wish those in the photo felt the same way.

It is beyond my comprehension way anyone would wish to kill someone for leaving a faith. Doesn’t every faith teach to leave all judgements to God?


#12

[quote=iamrefreshed]I have no doubt about that Emad. I only wish those in the photo felt the same way.

It is beyond my comprehension way anyone would wish to kill someone for leaving a faith.
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Like I said, they are uneducated, what do you expect?


#13

Thanks, or thanks to my parents! :thumbsup:


#14

[quote=Emad]Like I said, they are uneducated, what do you expect?
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Actually I would wish for better teachings from their educated religious leaders.

Lack of education only buys excuses to a point. No one is so uneducated, yet claiming to be religious, that they don’t know killing is wrong.

Emad, I’m afraid these people just believe a different Islam than you do.


#15

[quote=Eden]Thanks, or thanks to my parents! :thumbsup:
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:rotfl:


#16

[quote=iamrefreshed]Actually I would wish for better teachings from their educated religious leaders.

Lack of education only buys excuses to a point. No one is so uneducated, yet claiming to be religious, that they don’t know killing is wrong.

Emad, I’m afraid these people just believe a different Islam than you do.
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I can’t speak for them, I am not there, however what they are doing is un-Islamic, I can tell you the majority of Muslims would agree.


#17

[quote=iamrefreshed]Well, it looks to me like there were more than a few “fringe radical Muslims” in Afghanistan who were looking for Christian blood.

It makes it hard to swallow what I read here posted by other Muslims
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Hi iamrefreshed,

That picture or any news that you read in the West, does not really tell the whole story, just like how people are not aware how many innocent soldiers of American and coalition forces have died in vain in Afghanistan and in Iraq during an ongoing unjust war for OIL.

Obviously media of corporate America or West’s biasness will not tell it’s viewers the whole story especially when it comes to Muslims or Islam.

Was Western media this much interested when Veteran Australian missionary Graham Stewart Stains and his two sons are burned alive by Hindu extremists when they were sleeping in a car in eastern India in 1999, not too long ago??

You need to read this: Hindu Extremism On The Rise In India–Details: indianterrorism.bravepages.com/hinduextremismup.htm

It is told that Abdul became Christian some 16 years ago. This man did not have any problem when Taliban were ruling, and he used to oppose even Taliban and Shari’ah law. No fatwa was casted by the Taliban, to kill him. Then Abdul have been working for Christian missionary organization in Germany for years (almost a decade). What missonaries do to him is not certain.

After occupation of Afghanistan by the American and coalition forces, Abdul came to Afghanistan. Why now? Probably he had an agenda to create a mischief by misuing the “freedom” created by the occupied forced with their support.

Don’t forget that majority of people of Afghanistan do not see America’s dropping heavy bombs on their innocent people, as liberators or killers of terrorists only.

Now the incident of Abdul and sole backing by the West, is seen as an invasion in their religion as well.

So if people of Afghanistan are angry over this issue, it has less to do with Abdul’s change of religion and more to what happened to their thousands of innocent children, men and women when America’s most advanced bombs were dropped on them and they died in seconds and countless have become injured and handicapped beyond repair.

And it also has to do with what happened in Abu Ghurab Jail in Iraq, because Muslims cannot ignore what is happening in other Muslim countries and how more than hundred thousand innocent Iraqi children. men and women are laready dead.

All these facts and factors **should be kept in mind ** when talking about any demonstration or outrage of Muslims in any Muslim country.

Now, Abdul is released because it is found that he is mentally ill. It means he was an abnormal. An abnormal/mentally ill man’s change of faith means nothing. It is also possible that Christian missionary must have given him an assignment to disrupt and create a situation in Afghanistan.

There is a widespread dissent among the masses in Afghanistan against the activities of Christian missionaries. These missions exploit the poverty of Afghan people and they pay them to convert.

An **Afghanistan state prosecutor Sarinwal Zamari ** said of Abdul Rahman in an interview with the Associated Press on March 22, 2006, **“We think he could be mad. He is not a normal person. He doesn’t talk like a normal person. Doctors must examine him. If he is mentally unfit, definitely Islam has no claim to punish him. He must be forgiven. The case must be dropped.” ** Other sources said Rahman is "perennially jobless and mentally unbalanced."

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#18

Hi iamrefreshed,]

What this kind of change of faith of a man who is considered as mentally ill (if true), means to any Christain denomination?

What if this poerson had embraced Mormonism or Jehovas Witnessism or any Satanic cult of America?

While criticising Islam, you should not get confused with what ordinary Muslims believe and what Islam says in this regard. Because not every action/behaviour of Muslim is neccessarily Islam’s position/requirement.

Islamically, not all forms of apostasy is punishable by death.

And there is an another serious misundersatnding about the nature of Islam. Because Islam is not a religion in Western terms. It is a whole system of life whose laws applies to all fields of human life thus rejection of Islam is actually a treason against the whole system thus the worst form of apostasy is punishable by death makes perfect sense when it is viewed by keeping the whole context of Islam’s perspective.

On the other hand, in todays’ Christianity or today’s Judaism, apostasy **should not be punishable by death ** because the Christianity is not anymore same religion preached by Jesus Christ nor the Judaism is remained pure hence it has turned into a racial relgion. Thus the allowances given by Christians or Jews of todays’ age cannot be a pretext to get angry on Islamic death penalty for worst form of apostasy for it’s followers.

Your objection is valid ONLY if Islam too had turned into a limited form of religion such as Christianity or Judiasm.

Then, what you see in Afghanistan from Muslims, has more to do with: the emotions because of what American and coalition forces currently did to them/with the other Muslims, and **less to do with :**the “apostasy” of an abnormal, mentally ill man- Abdul.

Not to mention in Afghanistan, their culture/tribalism also has a place in their emotions. And not every element of their culture or tribalism is Islam.


#19

I see. If our religion was “pure” we would, like muslims, stone people to death or behead them for converting to another religion. Ah now I get it.


#20

[quote=cestusdei]I see. If our religion was “pure” we would, like muslims, stone people to death or behead them for converting to another religion. Ah now I get it.
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Hi cestusdei,

Not exactly but you are now on the road to know/realise the facts. I want you to see the whole picture/context atleast for the sake of knowing what in fact Islam is from it’s own WHOLE perspective.

Unfortunately the followers of Christ did not retain the whole message of Christ in pure form and in it’s entirety, thus it makes no sense for Christians to persecute their apsotates nor they should kill Jews anymore and should abonden completely their stance towards Jews as responsible for the killing of their supposed God, because Christianity with it’s existing form:

  1. is not as preached by Christ, anymore

  2. Nor todays Christianity is a whole system of life, as not everything of Jesus is recorded nor what was recorded saved properly.

  3. Thus, naturally, Christianity lost it’s grip over his own people. Christianity was not removed by some foreign non-Christian elements (Buddhists or Muslims or Jews). Christian themselves created a most disgusting situation over a long period of time (many centuries) that eventually Christian subjects of Christian Fundamentalists Rule, got rid of the rule of their own religion and replaced it with a new religion (secularism) which is completely free of any shred of Christianity.

On the other hand, Islam:

1.remained as it is from their holy Book to their Prophet’s way of application. They take every precaution to preserve it and will enver allow any muslim or non-muslim to change the Book of God (Quran) because:
2. Islam is last and Complete Way of Life, as such it is called Al-Deen and not relgion and
3. the rule of Islam or neccessity of Islamic law (shari’ah) was not rejected by their followers (Muslims) but because of enemies of Islam through mischievious ways forced/attacked Islamic state thus for the greater cause Muslims kept their religion on individual levels. But whenever any Muslim state was/is allowed to elect their leaders freely, the majority wanted/still wants Islamists and like to see Islam prevail once again in full fledge form.

As a sidenote, it is worth knowing that “when Roman Empire became Christian, apostates were punished by deprivation of all civil rights. They could not give evidence in a court of law, and could neither bequeath nor inherit property. To induce anyone to apostatize was an offence punishable with death.


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