PLEASE HELP WITH POPE JOHN PAUL II's DEFENSE OF THE "TRUE CHURCH"


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Catholic Dear Friends:

A Prot. minister friend says Pope John Paul II would NOT say the Catholic Church is the True Church. What??? Please help me to find an article for him wherein PJP2 mentions the Catholic Church, in all it’s Fullness, Truth, Beauty, etc., etc., in otherwords SAYING the Catholic Church IS IT!!! I’m uncertain where to find it.

Thx much—appreciate you all so much~~


#2

Dear Sparkle:

Every Sunday at Mass we profess the Creed, in which we (along with the Pope) state that we believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I hope this helps.
Fiat


#3

A Prot. minister friend says Pope John Paul II would NOT say the Catholic Church is the True Church.

The Catechism disputes his claim.

This is only a small part of what the Catechism has to say

usccb.org/catechism/text/pt1sect2chpt3art9.htm

Your friend is the one who should provide the proof of his statetment Ask him for proof.


#4

I would love to see the evidence that you PROTESTant friend derived this trash from. This is a joke. So much **** has been attributed to Pope John Paul II and I am sick of the lies. Tell these heretics to put up or shut up.


#5

**You should tell your protestant friend that before he claims or concludes something about anything he should make sure he can back it up! **

The following is part of his holiness Pope John Paul II’s last and most recent encyclical:

  1. If, as I have said, the Eucharist builds the Church and the Church makes the Eucharist, it follows that there is a profound relationship between the two, so much so that we can apply to the Eucharistic mystery the very words with which, in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, we profess the Church to be “one, holy, catholic and apostolic”. The Eucharist too is one and catholic. It is also holy, indeed, the Most Holy Sacrament. But it is above all its apostolicity that we must now consider.

  2. The* Catechism of the Catholic Church*, in explaining how the Church is apostolic – founded on the Apostles – sees three meanings in this expression. First, “she was and remains built on ‘the foundation of the Apostles’ (*Eph *2:20), the witnesses chosen and sent on mission by Christ himself”.51 The Eucharist too has its foundation in the Apostles, not in the sense that it did not originate in Christ himself, but because it was entrusted by Jesus to the Apostles and has been handed down to us by them and by their successors. It is in continuity with the practice of the Apostles, in obedience to the Lord’s command, that the Church has celebrated the Eucharist down the centuries.

The second sense in which the Church is apostolic, as the* Catechism *points out, is that “with the help of the Spirit dwelling in her, the Church keeps and hands on the teaching, the ‘good deposit’, the salutary words she has heard from the Apostles”.52 Here too the Eucharist is apostolic, for it is celebrated in conformity with the faith of the Apostles. At various times in the two-thousand-year history of the People of the New Covenant, the Church’s Magisterium has more precisely defined her teaching on the Eucharist, including its proper terminology, precisely in order to safeguard the apostolic faith with regard to this sublime mystery. This faith remains unchanged and it is essential for the Church that it remain unchanged.

  1. Lastly, the Church is apostolic in the sense that she “continues to be taught, sanctified and guided by the Apostles until Christ’s return, through their successors in pastoral office: the college of Bishops assisted by priests, in union with the Successor of Peter, the Church’s supreme pastor”.53 Succession to the Apostles in the pastoral mission necessarily entails the sacrament of Holy Orders, that is, the uninterrupted sequence, from the very beginning, of valid episcopal ordinations.54 This succession is essential for the Church to exist in a proper and full sense.

The Eucharist also expresses this sense of apostolicity. As the Second Vatican Council teaches, “the faithful join in the offering of the Eucharist by virtue of their royal priesthood”,55 yet it is the ordained priest who, “acting in the person of Christ, brings about the Eucharistic Sacrifice and offers it to God in the name of all the people”.56 For this reason, the Roman Missal prescribes that only the priest should recite the Eucharistic Prayer, while the people participate in faith and in silence.

**-Pope John Paul II, *Ecclesia de Eucharistia (17 April 2003), *Chapter 3: “Apostolicity of the Eucharist and of the Church.”


**Copy and pasted from the Vatican’s official website at: vatican.va/edocs/ENG0821/__P5.HTM



#6

Your friend should also check out “Domine Jesu,” which clearly puts paid to the notion that HHJPII was a proponent of indifferntism.


#7

[quote=Fiat]Dear Sparkle:

Every Sunday at Mass we profess the Creed, in which we (along with the Pope) state that we believe in One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

I hope this helps.
Fiat
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Protestans (or some I should say) see the work ‘catholic’ with a small ‘c’ which means universal (which is true). But they refuse to acknowledge catholic with a big "C’…and this would be typical! :smiley:

Blessings,
Shoshana


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[quote=Roman_Army]**You should tell your protestant friend that before he claims or concludes something about anything he should make sure he can back it up! **

**Pope John Paul II, *Ecclesia de Eucharistia (17 April 2003), ***Chapter 3: “Apostolicity of the Eucharist and of the Church.”


Copy and pasted from the Vatican’s official website at: vatican.va/edocs/ENG0821/__P5.HTM


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Thank you so very much Roman_Army:

This is exactly what I was looking for, and I just forwarded it along to him.

God Bless You Friend~


#9

sparkle,

You will not likely find “The Catholic Church is the True Church” in any of John Paul II’s writings. At least I have not seen it.

More important to the point is what you and your Protestant friend mean by “true Church.” According to Pius XII, "***If we would define and describe this true Church of Jesus Christ - which is the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic and Roman Church - we shall find nothing more noble, more sublime, or more divine than the expression “the Mystical Body of Christ.***” Does John Paul II differ with Pius XII in his use of the expression “the Mystical Body of Christ?” Not likely. The Catholic Church under John Paul II did indeed teach that it is the True Church. According to the president of the John Paul II’s Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, Cardinal Walter Kaspar (11 November 2004), “The Catholic Church continues to claim, as it always has, to be the true church of Christ Jesus, in which the entire fullness of the means of salvation are present (Unitatis Redintegratio3;*Ut unum sint *14)” Did John Paul II disagree with the president of his Pontifical Council? I don’t think so.

Are there true particular Churches that are not in full communion with the Catholic Church? Yes. The Church teaches that in every particular Church where apostolic succession is maintained and a valid Holy Eucharist is present, so too is present a true particular Church. Are Protestants included as “true particular Churches?” Not generally. These are purposefully referred to as “ecclesial communities” instead of particular Churches.


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