I don’t know how to put in a link, so here is the address,www.chastitysf.com.Don’t ask me how I found it ,I was looking for something else,but I found it extremely upsetting and am wondering if these people are really catholic in union with Rome.I walked away thinking that their writings and advise qualified as a sin againsy hope because if they are right I may never go to church again and should start preparing myself for eternal damnation now.If someone could just take a few minutes to check it out I would really appreciate it.
**"In other words, if you are living in the man-woman bond of Holy Matrimony, to live a holy ****lifestyle **you must abstain from all sexual activity that is not ordered to procreation, …"
That is really sick…
could you quote what exactly you found upsetting? there are quite a bit of writings on the site, if you could narrow it down to a few specific things, people might be able to help you more. please quote here some of the items you found upsetting. thanks.
Um…sometimes I take things literally that are meant to be humorous, so forgive this question, but you are kidding, right? If not, what’s sick about it and what’s surprising? All relations are supposed to be unitive and procreative and within marriage.
It just means that each marital act should be open to life.
Am I missing something here??? Why would that information make you ask if this website is posted by people in union with Rome? That IS the teaching of the Church…
Stick to what the Catholic Church teaches, not to what others teach.
Hmm … well, here are some good things to remember when you see a website like this:
Anyone can set up a website and make it look purty. Just because it looks professional and legitimate doesn’t mean it is.
This particular website seems to be run entirely by and for the benefit of one individual, who is trying to sell his services as a psychologist. He’s not a theologian or a member of the Church’s magisterium. Therefore, his opinions are just that - his opinions. Now, some of those opinions may be good. Some may not. But the point is - you’re not obligated to pay them any attention at all, if they disturb you.
As others in previous posts have already said - if you’re unsure if this is what the Church teaches - go to the Church and find out!
In my opinion they are wrong. God created sex to be good. If it was only for procreation than we would not desire it as much. Hormones are strong; why would God give us the desire to have sex long after the children are born. Wrong, wrong, wrong. God wants long lasting happy marriages - seems to me like this site in not condusive to a lifetime happy and healthy marriage.
My take on this: All sexual activity in marriage must be open to life. No form of ABC may be used. Even sex when using NFP is open to life because no artificial barriers are used.
I would encourage you to read these excerpts from the catechism, in particular the passages in Bold - but also, all of it as a whole - to get the complete understanding of WHY the Church teaches this.
- The fecundity of marriage
2366 Fecundity is a gift, an end of marriage, for conjugal love naturally tends to be fruitful. A child does not come from outside as something added on to the mutual love of the spouses, but springs from the very heart of that mutual giving, as its fruit and fulfillment. So the Church, which is "on the side of life,"151 teaches that "it is necessary that each and every marriage act remain ordered per se to the procreation of human life."152 "This particular doctrine, expounded on numerous occasions by the Magisterium, is based on the inseparable connection, established by God, which man on his own initiative may not break, between the unitive significance and the procreative significance which are both inherent to the marriage act."153
2367 Called to give life, spouses share in the creative power and fatherhood of God.154 "Married couples should regard it as their proper mission to transmit human life and to educate their children; they should realize that they are thereby cooperating with the love of God the Creator and are, in a certain sense, its interpreters. They will fulfill this duty with a sense of human and Christian responsibility."155
2368 A particular aspect of this responsibility concerns the regulation of procreation. For just reasons, spouses may wish to space the births of their children. It is their duty to make certain that their desire is not motivated by selfishness but is in conformity with the generosity appropriate to responsible parenthood. Moreover, they should conform their behavior to the objective criteria of morality:
When it is a question of harmonizing married love with the responsible transmission of life, the morality of the behavior does not depend on sincere intention and evaluation of motives alone; but it must be determined by objective criteria, criteria drawn from the nature of the person and his acts criteria that respect the total meaning of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love; this is possible only if the virtue of married chastity is practiced with sincerity of heart.156
2369 "By safeguarding both these essential aspects, the unitive and the procreative, the conjugal act preserves in its fullness the sense of true mutual love and its orientation toward man’s exalted vocation to parenthood."157
**2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:**159
Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.160
The Catechism can be found online HERE the sections in question actually begin at Paragraph 2360.
Understand - all things are possible with God.
The vocation of marriage is just that - a vocation. As with every vocation there is a rule. That rule must be followed in order that we may be ‘broken down’ as individuals, with our stubborn self-will, and so be able to conform ourselves to Christ. Jesus said “If you would have eternal life, Deny yourself, Pick up your Cross, and Follow Me”.
Thank you all for taking the time to respond .It wasn’t just the teachings on sexuality that I found upsetting,actually I didn’t even get that far.I got as far as a question on entertainment and this person was basically condemning all forms as evil.Even the idea of having friends catholic or not was condemned.I did not read much more since the whole experience was quickly draining me of all hope.I just think people should be held accountable when calling themselves catholic while teaching.I pray that people who are contemplating a return or conversion to the Church don’t run into this site or any like it as it will probably send them running the other way.
Not for nothing, and forgive me if I seem to be finding fault,but it seems as if everyone has immediatly gravitated toward the subject of sex in regards to my question.Actually,I take no issue with the teachings of the Church on sexuality.As far as the afformentioned website,like I said I didn’t get to far into it,so maybe sexuality was a major theme,I don’t know,I just happened to be looking at other things on this site,that’s all.And on a completly different subject, my day was utterly ruined yesterday when I found pornography on my husband’s e-mail,actually it was more like self-advertisement for anonymous sex.I probabaly shouldn’t have even opened it,knowing the dangers of the internet,but I did and I found my husband’ name and personal info on this totally gross site.He denies any involvement and says someone must have used his name.I have taken him at his word and hope to God I am not playing the fool.Sorry, I am rambling.Point is I was already in a weakened state when I came across the “Catholic” website I have started this thread about.I found it kind of funny(not ha-ha)that I had been so upset over something so disgusting as pornography and impurity on one end and then on the subject of purity and holiness on the other.And all in the same day!
I think we jumped to sex since the subject of the website appears to be chastity and the next post did quote something specifically regarding sex. Anyway, that’s why I thought you were talking about sex.
I hope tomorrow is a better day than yesterday was for you…and there is still hope for a great today if we quit jumping to conclusions with you, huh? ha
thank-you Ravenhawk,you are kind to wish me well.Today is better.
I’m sorry to hear your day went so wrong all at once. I’ll pray for you and your husband, keep you in our Rosary ring. I jumped on the sexual bandwagon with everyone else, coming in late like I did. I apologize, I should know by now to go through everything first.
God Bless you and yours
It is possible to get a spam e-mail with numerous bits of personal info on it. I get some with my name - that I’ve never heard of and don’t ever want to hear more from. I am very careful about the info. (or lack there of) that I put onto the web - even make purchases not on the internet (which is sometimes a little more expensive and more of a hassle but infinitely worthwhile). You know the old saying, “don’t put anything on the internet that you don’t want on the first page of the newspaper”.
That said, I will certainly pray for you and your DH, in case. :crossrc:
… …If I read the above on any website…it is indeed so sick and very wrong and against what The Church teaches, that I would hold the whole website as suspect and never visit it again nor take any notice of anything at all on it. That statement above would be sufficient for me to write the whole website off for good…Barb:)
Hi PraRFLEsEkHm! It’s been a while huh?
The section in your post above, which is underlined, basically it is saying that any form of sex, with the intention of NOT having a child, (and if a child were to be born, the couple would surely get rid of it) is evil? Right? That’s how I understand it.
I can’t see how sex is only for procreation and nothing else. It would seem to make more sense as it being for both procreation and bonding.
Nice to talk to you again, hope you’re doing well :o
Hi patg…can you give a link please to where on the website you found the above statement, please?..Barb:)
Hi Scarbar, all you have to do is read Paul’s letter to I think the Romans where he tells them that “your body does not belong to you but in marriage to each other fulfilling the needs of each other, not letting sin come in, in any way”.
Catholics seem to become entangled in other people’s words and this is a huge problem mainly brought on by
1 Not being a full reader of the BIBLE.
2 Not understanding the works of the Holy Spirit as our helper, that is allowing the Holy Spirit the chance to show us or teach us the “truth”.
The answer then is to READ, read, read, the bible and also to seek help about the position of the Holy Spirit in our lives as the “helper”.
If we do this then NO PERSON can trip us up, for we will have the “heart” knowledge led by the Holy Spirit.
Go for it