Pointed conical hats


#1

What is the history behind the long pointed KKK Looking hats that are worn during the holy days in Spain? Some mormons who mission in Spain have taken these pictures and are showing them to those that they are trying to convert.

Rich


#2

If you look at old paintings of European headwear in different ages you will see many ages when pointed hats were the style. North America is not old enough to have ancient head wear. They were probably an easy style to make.
stt. julie


#3

Not only are thay wearing the hats, they also have black masks over their faces. It looks evil. This is the Look some Mormons are using to show that our Church is evil. They also use this look in a video that shows that the Church is evil. Why Joseph Smith had to restore it. I have looked everywhere to try and find the Catholic meaning behind the hats and masks, how they used them etc…but it just says that they were worn. Looking for the reasoning behind this look.

God Bless


#4

LOL

They are not KKK like hats. It’s more likely KKK’s hats are like the other ones. I hope you see the little difference :wink:

I live in Spain and I’m accustomed to these things in the holy days just before Easter. I can’t really tell you where are they from. I always wondered that… Hmmm… I have friends who attend some of these brotherhoods which organize processions. I can ask them if you like. You see, you are lucky of having a spanish guy here… hehehehe :wink:

As st. julie said, it’s probably the remains of an old tradition of penitents (since, as far as I know, penitents dressed in a very similar manner).

Peace,

Carlos


#5

Ask them please. This is driving me crazy. Why would pentinants dress this ways? etc… I know that there is good reasoning behind it. I just want to pass this on to the Mormons who are using it in a dark way. Tradition is good, but we can’t forget the reasoning behind it or it will become lost or it is used by others to show it as bad tradition. We need to know why we do things. Could you imagine receiving the Eucharist, but nobody knows why we do this. Just because we do it? You are from Spain and even you do not know the meaning behind this Tradition of the pointed hats and masks. We need to know our faith and our Traditions well.

Especially in Utah where the Catholic Church is looked upon as fallen, evil and in complete darkness from the truth of Christ. They are making Spain here in Utah seem to be a pagan place with a pagan people. Others who do not know are faith are being swept up by them and baptised into their Church. A Church that claims a line of Gods without end and a Christ that is a mere man.

Help???

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#6

[quote=Giennensis]LOL

As st. julie said, it’s probably the remains of an old tradition of penitents (since, as far as I know, penitents dressed in a very similar manner).

Peace,

Carlos
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In the middle ages and even later, Penitents did conceal their identity in such public processions as a way of not publicizing themselves while drawing attention to the great need for penance among the faithful.


#7

Allright. I’ll ask my friends.

Hehehe… you’re right, it may be surprising I don’t know why do they wear such a weird dress, but I can say in my defense that I never asked just because I know the Church never condemned that, so I supposed it’s either a costume or the remains of some kind of liturgical dress (and by that reason, approved by the Church). I know many cases of weird vestments used in celebrations which are just “fosilized” ancient vestments. :slight_smile:

Keep in mind that spanish brotherhoods, though they are actually run by laics and - sadly - priests many times tend to care very little about them, they used to have a lot of clerical presence centuries ago, so you can identify many liturgical elements: candles like the ones used in the proccession of entering (dunno if that’s the correct translation) in the Mass, or even deacon’s dalmatics. Some things are not longer used in liturgy, or they are very rarely used, but brotherhoods kept those elements that reminds those old days when processions were a part of a complete liturgical celebration, with priest (or bishop), deacons, and so. Actually we are trying to join liturgy and processions again (though they have never been completely separated. People still feel all this has something to do with the Church), and I think we are having success, though many years of separation make the process slow.

And of course, we should know our traditions better, so we can know why we use certain symbols. I plan to make a web with pictures (I’m good making comic-like drawings) explaining every one of the vestmens, where doest it come from and what is it used for. I think many people will find that helpful. :slight_smile:


#8

[quote=mercygate]In the middle ages and even later, Penitents did conceal their identity in such public processions as a way of not publicizing themselves while drawing attention to the great need for penance among the faithful.
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Oh, thanks for the infornation. Then, that’s probably the reason of these weird vestments. Anyway, I’ll ask my friends :slight_smile:

Peace


#9

Don’t just think of a religous tradition but primarily cultural traditions. The Church was not the one to introduce new fashions. Our priests still wear dresses for heavens’ sake. Royal courts generally did that. Or else one has to examine the culture of every tribe that made up the European peoples. Pointed hats were very popular in the middle ages.

st julie


#10

I’m not sure if we’re talking about the same type of hats, but I remember hearing that the pointed hats that the pope and the college of cardinals wear are to signify the flame of the Holy Spirit that descended on the Apostles at Pentecost.


#11

[quote=Mickey]I’m not sure if we’re talking about the same type of hats, but I remember hearing that the pointed hats that the pope and the college of cardinals wear are to signify the flame of the Holy Spirit that descended on the Apostles at Pentecost.
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You’re right; that’s a different hat.


#12

Still searching. Someone has to know. Why the pointed hats?


#13

I have no idea. My pastor wore one for Christmas one year. I swear I think hes lots his mind sometimes. Maybe they are eastern rite?


#14

[quote=catholic-rcia]What is the history behind the long pointed KKK Looking hats that are worn during the holy days in Spain? Some mormons who mission in Spain have taken these pictures and are showing them to those that they are trying to convert.

Rich
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RIch I don’t have an answer about the KKK but they would NOT have been imitating Catholics. My understanding was they didn’t like Catholics much more than Jews or blacks.

Lisa N


#15

[quote=catholic-rcia]What is the history behind the long pointed KKK Looking hats that are worn during the holy days in Spain? Some mormons who mission in Spain have taken these pictures and are showing them to those that they are trying to convert.

Rich
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In America, the KKK are the most visible group who wear such hats, so the hats become ‘guilty’ by association. It’s sort of like the Nazi use of the swastika leading to defamation of the swastika, which is actually a symbol used long before the Nazis by Hindus, Buddhists, and Jains, as a sign of good health and life.


#16

Do you have a picture or link online that shows what your talking about?


#17

[quote=catholic-rcia]Still searching. Someone has to know. Why the pointed hats?
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Try this:
landru.i-link-2.net/shnyves/vestments.htm

and this:

newadvent.org/cathen/10404a.htm

Then please come back and tell us.


#18

The Local Parish here has twisted crosses on the alter because it was built before WWII in 1930 something. Its long been a sign of peace in other cultures. Its also a good reminder to us that when something bad happens we can scream Heresy. It doesnt exactly mean its true. Satan Can bend a cross to use for his will, but that doesnt make all twisted crosses Swastikas and Pointy hat wearing doesnt make all Catholic Priests Clan members but it may Make some Priests KOOKKS.
http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/ake0040l.jpg


#19

[quote=catholic-rcia]Still searching. Someone has to know. Why the pointed hats?
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They are dunce hats.


#20

holyplacesinspain.com/ing/events.htm

http://www.holyplacesinspain.com/imagenes/events_nazarenos.jpg


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