Poll: 50 percent of all Catholics support abortion in ‘all or most cases’

This is awful. So many things have changed during my lifetime that I never would have thought possible as a young adult. God help us.

I realize that a Catholic following the teachings of Holy Mother Church does not support abortion. But, it is still devastating to know that so many who identify as Catholic support the intrinsic evil of abortion.

"Poll: 50 percent of all Catholics support abortion in ‘all or most cases’

July 25, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Half of all Catholics believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases, according to a poll commissioned by The Washington Post and ABC in the wake of the murder convictions of Philadelphia House of Horrors abortionist Kermit Gosnell.

Fifty percent of Catholics said they believed abortion should be legal in all or most circumstances, while 45 percent say it should be illegal in the same circumstances. That was only moderately more pro-life than the American public as a whole, which favored abortion 55-41."…

Blue excerpt from source link: lifesitenews.com/news/poll-50-percent-of-all-catholics-support-abortion-in-all-or-most-cases

How often is the horror of abortion brought up in your parish? How often is the horror of chemical contraception discussed? How often is the lie of cohabitation dwelt upon by the homilists?

In our childrens’ “Catholic” schools, how much are these subjects brought up (vice “social justice” issues). For example, in my daughter’s Catholic high school, the person who ran the counselling department had a life-size cardboard cutout of the abortionist-in-chief standing up in her office…(had the local public school not been so horribly appalling, I wouldn’t have wasted the $15K per year tuition…I had to spend hours each week undoing the garbage they were trying to feed her with in the name of religious education…but, mind you, it did beat the public school she’d have had to attend)

With all this, how in the world can we be surprised.

This actually does not surprise me in the least bit. Don’t get me wrong, it doesn’t overjoy me…but, in reality, it can hardly be thought of as a surprise.

You are correct, of course. But, I guess I am feeling a bit weighed down from all the attacks on all fronts, even from those who identify themselves as Catholic. It discourages me and makes me sad and heartbroken and also bewildered because things just get more and more surreal and bizarre and backwards, but I know in the end, the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church.

Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight."
Isaiah 5:20-21

"They make night into day, saying, ‘The light is near,’ in the presence of darkness.”
Job 17:12

“He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, Both of them alike are an abomination to the LORD.“
Proverbs 17:15

“The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light. But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness! “
Matthew 6:22-23

"The eye is the lamp of your body; when your eye is clear, your whole body also is full of light; but when it is bad, your body also is full of darkness. Then watch out that the light in you is not darkness. “
Luke 11:34-35

I have the feeling that I am a stranger in a strange land now. Who are these self-identified Catholics who think in this way? I don’t know who these people are and fear our Church will never be the same, God help us. (I feel the same way about America.)

Though I am discouraged, I know that God can do all things, so conversion from evil to good, from dark to light, from sin to turning away from it, is always possible. Prayer is the answer.

This article is a bit more encouraging, though “uncomfortable” is a rather mild word.

"The NYT gets it mostly right on abortion polling, for once

…Leonhardt correctly states that many polls indicate that the Roe v. Wade decision enjoys broad public support, but he also acknowledges that many people still remain uncomfortable with unrestricted abortion access. According to a 2012 Pew research poll, fewer than 25 percent of Americans think abortion should be legal in all cases. Furthermore a 2013 New York Times/CBS poll finds that fewer than 45 percent of Americans think that abortion should be generally available, while a majority of respondents felt that abortion either should not be permitted or should be available under stricter limits. Leonhardt concludes that “by any objective measure the country is conflicted.”…

Blue excerpt taken from: lifesitenews.com/blog/the-nyt-gets-it-mostly-right-on-abortion-polling-for-once

This is upsetting. What I have found in my own dealings with people in this world is that those I know who once were very strong with their convictions in all aspects of life, have since been broken down and apart and are just more accepting of things that they once considered amoral. It’s almost as if their spirits have been broken. When you are constantly bullied and dogged by the secular world through the media, through your children who were the most vulnerable to be influenced and have since left the Church and other denominations, and you don’t have a church which will continuously support it’s own beliefs from the pulpit by frequent messages each week, then you allow the “other side” to win. Most people won’t go out and learn the truth themselves. They need a pastor, a shepherd, from their parishes to teach and guide them. Honestly, you don’t see it that much at regular Sunday masses, at funerals, weddings or other special masses. As much as we might say that it’s on them to know better, that’s not going to happen to the majority of people. A spiritual person of strength, such as a priest, is needed to help lead us.

It’s this idea in all aspects of life where people say that the world has changed and there is nothing we can do to fix it, which has brought us to such low point in our society and culture. People have thought that by ignoring it, it won’t affect them and their lives, but we can see how much it is now.

Pocket the $15,000 and homeschool.

Frankly, it’s overcome by events (she graduated)…and there are circumstances that made your suggestion unworkable in our situation.

But, in general, I don’t disagree with what you said.

You and Mark make valid points. Catholics (and others) seem to no longer hear about sin and hell. Seems that only God’s love, mercy and forgiveness are what is preached anymore and only the feel-good, “I’m okay, you’re okay” aspects of faith are emphasized. While He does love us and wants each of us to end up in paradise with Him, He has also given us laws to live by and told us of the consequences of choosing to not follow His commandments. Being reminded of consequences of our bad choices just isn’t done anymore. But, in the end, His perfect justice will prevail.

We had a parish in our Diocese have parishioners actually interrupt and chastise the priest, during Mass, because they were tired of him preaching on sin and Hell. Liberal Catholics don’t want to hear they are going to Hell. Yes, the priest was backed up by his pastor and the Diocese on the situation.

:eek:

That is pretty awful that parishioners would interrupt and chastise the priest during Mass. That is quite nervy. I’m glad the good and holy priest was backed up by his pastor and Diocese at least. He was doing the right thing to remind parishioners about the reality of sin and Hell. In this day and age, we could use more of that, though in this day and age, supporting the teachings of the Church can cause big trouble and create problems for priests and it is surreal that that happens. Can you imagine? Getting in trouble for teaching Catholics the Catholic Faith?

It is sad and disgusting, but I am not the slightest bit surprised. Catholics keep electing pro choice candidates, and the more radical the candidate the more likely he or she will be elected.

Why else would they keep voting for keen supporters of abortion on demand?

And, PS: the word is ABORTION. The baby has no CHOICE in the matter. Stop using the opposition’s false terminology because that way you have already conceded the battle.

On the plus side, roughly half of all Catholics remain pro-life in spite of bad schooling, bad catechesis, bad clergy, bad seminaries, bad religious culture, bad secular culture, and the lukewarmness of half the faithful.

I humbly surmise if the Poll were for those who attend Church once a week, the percentages should be and would be better.

Also, I’m very sorry, but per demographics, some “groups” are more faithful to Church teaching, those polls often show that as well.

I agree with all your points re the need to bring back moral teaching into the Church. But I also want to remind you that the poll was done by Washington Post and ABC, 2 of the most liberal media outlets in the world. You can manipulate statistics anyway you want. How many Catholics in name only are out there. How did they select the poll group, what part of the country was used(New York and California vs Midwestern states) etc.
Please people do not be discouraged. Even if the poll was accurate (which I doubt) remember that many times in history it was the “remnant” that saved the day. I personally have seen here in the Midwest an increase in traditional Catholicism, many many families leaving their" feel good" suburban architectural horrors of Churches and flocking back to older, inner city , traditional Churches, I have seen many young people returning to the values of abstinence before and outside of marriage. There is a definite increase in NFP use and even then family sizes seem to be increasing. While 10-15 years ago a family with 5 kids was frowened upon, now the frown doesn’t start until number 7 or 8 ( :smiley: ) So keep hoping and trusting in God. Remember, the gates of h-ll will not prevail against the Church on the Rock!!!

Let’s face it, most baptized Catholics do not regularly attend Mass and live secular lives. Yet they are still counted as Catholics by virtue of baptism as an infant.

Maybe it’s safe to say 50% of Catholics are “cultural Catholics” and maybe should stop calling themselves Catholics since they don’t agree with the church on this issue and probably dozens more issues.

Think about, the parish population at Easter and Christmas probably doubles, and not even all professed Catholics even show up for those days.

It’s a sad thing, the answer is better catechesis on both abortion and what it means to be Catholic.

It would also be nice if these surveys compared “practicing Catholics” to “catholics”

Unfortunately, this is is a reminder how the lack of catechesis is showing its fruits :frowning:

0 % of real Catholics though. While technically baptized, a Catholic who commits a mortal sin has (temporarily at least) jumped off the ark and had best get back aboard via confession as quickly as possible. Which would be instantly with a (true) promise to confess to a priest as soon thereafter as one can. Or a Bishop if the automatic excommunication (latae sententiae) is such that that is required.

ewtn.com/expert/answers/abortio2.htm

Conspirators who incur the excommunication can be defined as those who make access to the abortion possible. This certainly includes doctors and nurses who actually do it, husbands, family and others whose counsel and encouragement made it morally possible for the woman, and those whose** direct practical support made it possible (financially, driving to the clinic etc.**).

In my opinion (which doesn’t matter unless I happen to be right … but in that case then very much …) that last sentence above would apply to belonging to and supporting organizations that “make access to abortion possible” as well. For example:

weeklystandard.com/blogs/democratic-platform-endorses-taxpayer-funded-abortions_651589.html

The 2012 Democratic party will officially adopt an extreme position on the issue of abortion on Tuesday. According to a copy of the party platform, which was released online just before midnight on Monday, “The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay.”

That last part–“regardless of ability to pay”–is an endorsement of taxpayer-funded abortions, a policy that*** President Obama has personally endorsed.*** Obama wants Medicaid to pay directly for elective abortions, and Obamacare will allow beneficiaries to use federal subsidies to purchase health care plans that cover elective abortions.

assets.dstatic.org/dnc-platform/2012-National-Platform.pdf < The 2012 DNC Platform, titled:

“Moving America Forward”

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