I don’t know where else I could post this, so I thought ‘Social’ would be appropriate, I’m just wondering what peoples opinions are on this issue, with civil explanations, and civil discussions, no hate or aggression to one another, and hoping to see full devotion to the important forum rules here.
If you’re talking about the general Catholic population - my answer is yes, they should be allowed communion because there is no way for the Priest to know anyone’s thoughts. How could he even stop them? It’s not like he could stand there and say, “The body of Christ… and are you pro-life, anti-gay marriage?”
I do believe that public figures - politicians who publically support abortion or gay marriage should be instructed by their Priest that they should refrain.
True true. Or greed? Or what about someone who views pornography? Where do we draw the line as far as sin goes? I do draw a distinction though when it comes to abortion. Those who support it basically support murder. Personally, I find that most replusive - much much moreso than anything else.
In my opinion any Catholic who holds convictions that are anti-Catholic should not receive Holy Communion as it is a sacrilege which is mortal sin. Confession would be in order before reception of Holy Communion. The Catholic Church should not be “used” as a forum for anti-Catholic sentiment. Those that are in doubt of Catholic Doctrine should get educated to make informed opinion.
Anyone who is in a state of mortal sin should not receive communion. Obviously this all hinges on whether or not the Priest knows that they are in a state of mortal sin. If the priest knows, such as in the case of politicians, then the priest has no business giving them the Eucharist. That goes for anything, pornography, adultery (including divorce without an annulment) support for abortion or gay marriage.
Of course this is theoretically. In practice the priest cannot know everything that goes on in people’s heads. Only the people do. But if the priest knows, he doesn’t have the right to give it to them…
If a Catholic holds those positions quietly and still believes in the Church’s authority to uphold her moral teachings on the matters, that is just doubt and not a sin.
If, on the other hand, that person is vocal in his/her dissent; acts to forward the agenda of those causes; otherwise acts in a manner to damage the Church’s position, he/she is not properly disposed to receive Communion. This is doubly true if the person is a leader in the parish or a Catechist since besides dissent, there is the very public sin of causing scandal.
A bar to Communion is rarely about belief but about action. If a person’s **actions **are gravely sinful and if he/she persists in those actions, he/she should not present for Communion. A priest who knows that particular situation of that individual and who has unsuccessfully counseled him/her would be justified in denying Communion to the person based on his/her actions.
Someone who holds these positions should deny themselves Communion, which is a visible sign of unity with the Church. If you are at odds with such basic moral teachings, it’s hard to say that you are in full communion with the Church.
That said, for most people who might hold these positions, the priest and the rest of the community don’t really know, unless you happen to have a conversation on the topic. It’s not like they’re going to take a poll before Mass starts, “raise your hand if you’re pro-choice”, and then say anyone who’s hand is up shouldn’t take communion.
I voted no. But this could be in effect only if the clergy loudly, clearly and emphatically stated that anyone supporting any of these issues could not receive communion. Only if the clergy would say that everyone must be pro life from conception to natural death in order to be in alliance with what the Church teaches, in order to receive the Eucharist, could this prohibition be carried out. But this won’t happen as note the big bru ha ha earlier this year of a priest (can’t remember where) who told his congregation that anyone who voted for bo must go to confession before receiving communion. Remember how he was not supported by his Bishop? How he was castegated by his superiors themselves?
Therefore, the Church law for about half the Catholics here in the US means a person is able to receive Communion while supporting the pro death culture of this world because it is a matter of individual conscience. This, all the while giving scandal, especially those persons in public office who continue to receive the Host while everyone knows they support the anti life agenda. Is it any wonder the Church is no longer considered, by many, an authority regarding morality. Is it any wonder there are so many “private” interpretations of what the truth of the Church is?
I grew up in a era when morality was a matter of black and white, not shades of grey and everything in between. The strength of the Body of Christ has been weakened because of relativism, secularism and rationalism both by laity and clergy.
The Missal contains a statement concerning reception of Holy Communion and occasionally a Priest will make a statement during Mass that visitors who do not hold true to Catholic Doctrine are asked not to receive Holy Communion. Those who oppose Catholic Doctrine in fact are advised by the Missal to refrain from Holy Communion therefore by conscience those anti-Catholic are receiving from a conscience of sacrilege should they decide to receive anyway. Of course the Priest or Eucharist Ministers are not able to discern who holds anti-Catholic sentiment prior to Holy Communion without a vocal admission of error although Christ knows who they are and there is no way [for an anti-Catholic] to avoid condemnation through reception of the Holy Eucharist for anyone who receives sacrilegiously regardless of how the Priest polices the Mass. When anti-Catholic make themselves known through speech however, it is mortal sin for their reception of Christ in the Eucharist and a Priest or Eucharist Minister would also become guilty of sacrilege by allowing the Holy Eucharist to that person.
Nothing personal, but I think this mentality is part of the problem.
We do not have a right to our Lord. We must prove ourselves worthy by keeping His commandments (If you love Me, then…). Catholics are all familiar with what is expected of us before we present ourselves before God. I think most people would take it more seriously if communion were denied. I thought it would never happen, until I arrived at my current parish, and I saw our pastor actually deny communion to the two people in line in front of me, and he was not apologetic about it.
We need more priests like him. I believe they are coming.
What about priests who share the same concept of pro-choice actions and pro-same sex marriage movements? ‘All’ is a bit too much, and sadly many persons can be even priests of the Church, even if they disagree on the Church’s stands.
I currently can not receive communion - but it is also my personal responsibility to enforce that.
To the extent that a person publicly advocates their position - and the priest is aware of it, then they should not receive communion (any more than my local priest who is completely aware of my situation and working with me to resolve it would give me communion).
To the extent that they support that position, I think they should self enforce not receiving communion (as I do when going to mass when the priest does not know my situation).
To the extent it is their belief, but the submit to the church and do not act on it, then they should be allowed communion (we are all subject to temptation - but with help we can overcome it).