Pop concert in Madison Square Garden before the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
I am sick to my stomach and in tears as I type this. The concert is supposed to be reverent - yeah I can believe that there will be silence and prayer.
. Surely the organisers could have thought of a better preparation for the “Source and summit of our Faith.”
What are the organisers thinking of? What are those in Rome who approved this debacle thinking of?
What was Cardinal Dolan thinking of to give his permission for this insult to the Real Presence?Huge public Masses are never reverent. At the very least, Holy Communion shouldn’t be distributed. If It is I can envision consecrated Hosts turning up for sale.:mad:
“Classical music” concerts used to be done before Mass, and in churches, no one complained then. I didn’t complain about the super loud pipe organ at the church downtown (well, I guess I am now) before and after Mass.
I fail to see how this is a big deal, specifically if the sound is decent and they’re doing praise & worship or hymns.
Huge public Masses are never reverent. At the very least, Holy Communion shouldn’t be distributed. If It is I can envision consecrated Hosts turning up for sale.:mad:
??? WHY in the world are you sick and in tears about this? (Insult?!! debacle?!!)
The concert sounds really nice! You should feel good that these top performers are offering their time and artistry!
The performers aren’t playing pop music…they will be playing “prayer and devotional music”
Well, there’s a difference… LifeTeen-Masses use “Contemporary Christian Music” which uses pop-melodies to praise & worship, contain biblical references and are used to carry prayer (this does not mean that everybody should like or accept LifeTeen-music or is likely to use them for prayer).
As someone pointed out, apparently the singers invited are practicant Catholics, have decent music & lyrics. But it is not music for prayer. I think, because it doesn’t promote anything vulgar, there is nothing against seeing other people’s talents on such a festivity (the singers will be fully aware that they are performing in relation to the Pope and the Catholic Mass, so they will choose their songs appropriately I hope).
Think of this: It could also be totally silent, creating a sort of camping ground with all sorts of things going on; having a decent entertainment creates a different and maybe more reverend ‘vibe’… I remember after one World Youth Day, several pop artists performed on the stage of the Papal Mass, give several testimonies about their own faith and helped to keep some crowds occupied a bit longer to relieve the stress on the exit- and transportation system. Was a great solution!
Another thing would be popstars known for their vulgarity. But that’s not the case here.
I do find it a little odd that Jennifer Hudson, who has a song highlighting same-sex marriage is performing, but… that doesn’t necessarily mean she shouldn’t perform? :shrug: After all she won’t be singing that particular song. I doubt whoever chose the performers looked significantly into the views of the performers, but just wanted great performers, not sure.
You don’t change the world by ignoring its existence.
The history of Catholicism is.full of such accommodations. Pagan midwinter and spring traditions rechristened as ‘Christmas’ trees and ‘Easter’ eggs, Popes borrowing the title ‘Pontifex Maximus’ from the pagan chief priests of.ancient Rome and the like.
Yes. Let’s not ignore its existence. Let’s become a part of it, no?
How about that christian saying:
We are IN the world, but we are not OF of the world.
I think Jesus had that concept in mind.
John 15:19 “but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, threfore the world hates you”
John 17:16 Same as above. Repeated. You know history, you might know what it means when Jesus repeats what he says more than once. For those who don’t: It’s very important.
Romans 12:2 “And be not conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.”
The “world” is always referring to the world system. The transformation refers to a spiritual transformation once one has known God.
And what more can I say? You seem to know church history. Aren’t you kinda sorry for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd century christians who just could not adhere to Roman worship of Roman gods and preferred to die insead?
Are we not willing to do anything for our faith? Demand nothing? I don’t want to die. I do demand that my faith stay out of the world. I agree with Yinekka. This is not a sin but I do think it’s a mistake. Maybe we should have had some rock instead? I much prefer that to pop and I do wish to be entertained, after all! Where does it stop?
Samwise1 says: “as long as it doesn’t promote anything vulgar, there is nothing wrong with seeing other people’s…”
Wow. Is that all it takes? That it isn’t vulgar? Tto what depths have we sunk? If it isn’t vulgar we’re at neutral - could we take it a notch up and get it into the spiritual?
I like Yinekka’s signature line:
“If you were accused of being a catholic, would there be enough evidence to convict you?”
Please don’t cut in the middle of my sentences. I said “I think, because it doesn’t promote anything vulgar, there is nothing against seeing other people’s talents on such a festivity (the singers will be fully aware that they are performing in relation to the Pope and the Catholic Mass, so they will choose their songs appropriately I hope).”
adding context, also with what I added about the concert after World Youth Day.
It’s not about what it DOESN’T show (vulgarity, hopefully), but what it shows:
->Other people’s TALENTS (God given)
->Appropriate lyrics (giving a different perspective for people in this world sinking into bad lyrics - we should give them alternatives that reach them but that also save them - one of these examples is U2, partly, which you quote in your signature)
->An alternative to a waiting place becoming a camping ground.
It’s a common problem today to accept pretty much everything, including vulgar stuff. I didn’t mean what I said in a bad way and I apologize if I didn’t explain myself properly.
I meant that if something is NOT vulgar we’re up at a neutral stance. Okay. Now we’re neutral. That shouldn’t be enough for a christian. Do you see what I mean? Words, sometimes I hate words.
Now I love U2 and have since 1985. That may give my age away, but it’s okay. I went to see them in Turin two weeks ago. Their concerts bring tears to my eyes, especially this one. It should be mandatory for christians to know their work, which it sounds like you might.
Would I want to see them at this Mass? I don’t think so. Because we’d be cheering away at them and not at God. (well, in their case, maybe we would!)
I mean, is Harry going to sing HIS songs, and Jennifer and Gloria? We’ll just have to wait and see. Why couldn’t it have been a christian choir, for instance?
I just feel like we’re becoming more and more like secular people. I sometimes feel like there’s going to be a small remnant of us remaining, like the Jews after the Babylonian and Assyrian exiles.
Hope you understand me. I have nothing against you.
I attended the Papal Mass in Yankee Stadium when Pope Benedict came to visit.
There were performers there as well.
Madison Square Garden is a very large venue, and I am sure there will be security checks and it will take a great amount of time for everyone to be seated. That’s how it was at Yankees Stadium.
We were there about 2 hours if I remember correctly before Mass began. It wasn’t irreverent at all. The whole experience was quite beautiful, and as I listened to the homily I seriously wondered if heaven would be similar.
And my two children at the time aged 7 and 4 were impeccably behaved.
And therein lies the problem. Even the people who organized this do not take the Eucharist seriously for what it is.
How can you not look into the beliefs and backgrounds of the people involved? At least on non-negotiable issues? There are no shortage of Catholics who could do this job - at least find some who believe what it is to be Catholic.