Pope Benedict XVI signed papal act on 3/30 "freeing" the TLM [rumor]


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Freedom for the Traditional Latin Mass

YES!!!

In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

IC XC NIKA


#2

This would be nice if it were true. I’ll have to see something more official than a blog before I give it much credit though.


#3

This may be too good to be true but in the distance I do hear the sounds of 100,000 bagpipers in beautiful unison marching home…

How long Lord? May our traditional brethren never feel like lepers again. Ostende nobis, Domine, misericordiam tuam.


#4

Like the others on this thread, I’m not going to start dancing with joy until I see the Act signed, sealed and delivered. But I’m going to be on my knees praying that its true.


#5

[quote=srp643]This may be too good to be true but in the distance I do hear the sounds of 100,000 bagpipers in beautiful unison marching home…

How long Lord? May our traditional brethren never feel like lepers again. Ostende nobis, Domine, misericordiam tuam.
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If you happen to visit (as I do, to keep myself informed and not because I agree with them) real traditional sites such as traditio.com, they are not going to return to the fold even if there is a “universal indult,” which there is not going to be in the first place. In the words of Shakespeare, from King Lear, “Never, never, never, never, never.” Too many bishops would not touch the TLM with a ten foot pole or allow their priests to.


#6

It would be an historic event in the Church. For those who love the Tridentine, the end of forty years in the desert.


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Freedom for the Traditional Latin Mass

YES!!!

I hope this is true! :thumbsup:

Keep us posted!
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#8

Universal approval of Latin Missal could be on the way

Vatican City, Mar. 31, 2006 (CNA) - [size=2]The St. Pius V Missal, which the Catholic Church used until 1962 before it was replaced by the new ordinary following the liturgical reforms of Vatican II, could be approved for universal use, according to sources close to the Vatican.

The decision on the use of the Missal, which was the subject of consultations between Pope
Benedict XVI, the cardinals of the Church and the heads of the different Vatican diacasteries, could be announced after another meeting the Pope has scheduled for April 7 with Curia leaders.

The Pius V Missal contains the Mass celebrated in Latin according to the “Tridentine” rite and is currently allowed only with the permission of the local bishop. Universal approval would mean the traditional rite could be celebrated freely throughout the world by priests who wish to do so.

The move is not directly related to the Lefebvrist schism, since as a theologian the Pontiff had always expressed in interest in bringing back the rite. Nevertheless, Vatican sources note that this would be an important step in resolving the schism, as the possibility of freely celebrating the Mass of St Pius V is one of the points of contention with the Lefebvrists.

In July, the Society of St. Pius X—known as the Lefebvrists—will elect a new superior. The group will chose between openness to reconciliation embodied in the current superior Bernard Fellay or the decidedly anti-Vatican stance of Richard Williamson, another of the four bishops illicitly consecrated by the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

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#9

You can always visit our New Latin Mass Parish. :slight_smile:

Our Bishop rocks.

Latin Community rolls up sleeves to restore St. Patrick


#10

[quote=maggieodae]Our Bishop rocks.
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:thumbsup:

Bishop Finn has been the answer to many prayers for our diocese.


#11

As much as I love the Tridentine Mass, I think it would be a disaster to bring it back.

Vatican II clearly calls for Gregorian chant in the Mass and assumes that the Mass will be continued to be said in Latin. Sadly, few Masses are said in Latin and few use Gregorian chant.

If the Tridentine Mass is reintroduced in full vigor, I don’t think we will ever see the Novus Ordo Mass offered as the Council Fathers intended it to be offered – in Latin and with Gregorian chant. Catholics will just go to the Tridentine Mass if they want a Latin Mass and Gregorian chant.


#12

A move such as described here, allowing the priest to decide which Mass to celebrate, will cause much confusion and destruction within the Church as, I hate to say this and I know it will be deined, those laity who prefer the old Mass are a minority with in the Church.

It should be up to the bishop who is the pastor of his diocese to decide when and where the old Mass will be offered.

Also, while many priests may wish to do this not all know how as the semianries only teach the current Mass.

I still do not believe that Pope Benedict will stomp on the feet of the bishops in such a way.


#13

[quote=SFH]As much as I love the Tridentine Mass, I think it would be a disaster to bring it back.

Vatican II clearly calls for Gregorian chant in the Mass and assumes that the Mass will be continued to be said in Latin. Sadly, few Masses are said in Latin and few use Gregorian chant.

If the Tridentine Mass is reintroduced in full vigor, I don’t think we will ever see the Novus Ordo Mass offered as the Council Fathers intended it to be offered – in Latin and with Gregorian chant. Catholics will just go to the Tridentine Mass if they want a Latin Mass and Gregorian chant.
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It could also turn out that it could bring some more reverence to the knew liturgy. Having the old liturgy there to scrutinize the knew one could cause it to get better.


#14

[quote=ByzCath]A move such as described here, allowing the priest to decide which Mass to celebrate, will cause much confusion and destruction within the Church as, I hate to say this and I know it will be deined, those laity who prefer the old Mass are a minority with in the Church.

It should be up to the bishop who is the pastor of his diocese to decide when and where the old Mass will be offered.

Also, while many priests may wish to do this not all know how as the semianries only teach the current Mass.

I still do not believe that Pope Benedict will stomp on the feet of the bishops in such a way.
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After all the disruption and anguish of changing from the older Mass, more disruption and anguish in changing back again is exactly what is not needed.

Why can’t the two Masses co-exist in peace, instead of being reasons for cat-fights ?

IMO, there needs to be mutual forebearance - but ther can be no rejection of Vatican II.

The real puzzle, if the excommunications in 1988 are to be overturned, is why they were imposed on the first place. If they are not valid now, why should they be treated as having been valid then ? I wish Abp. Lefebvre could have been alive to see this (I’d rather see him canonised than JP2). ##


#15

What I find frustrating is that when the current Mass was introduced, they did it over a 6-8 year period. To me it was the boiling the frog to death method.

changingminds.org/disciplines/change_management/creating_change/boiling_frog.htm

But this they are going to do suddenly, the frog is gonna jump right out.


#16

[quote=ByzCath]A move such as described here, allowing the priest to decide which Mass to celebrate, will cause much confusion and destruction within the Church as, I hate to say this and I know it will be deined, those laity who prefer the old Mass are a minority with in the Church.

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Have you considered that those that would prefer the TLM are a minority because many do not have access to the TLM.

Confusion, destruction— for allowing a Mass that has been our heritage for hundreds of years and continues to be part of who we are – the Latin rite of the of the Catholic Church— please Mr. ByzCath.


#17

“Also, while many priests may wish to do this not all know how as the semianries only teach the current Mass”

I’ll have faith in any priest to learn the Tridentine, if he wants to, because, afterall, he has a charism, and is not a robot. This is something which has been forgotten of late as the priest in the new rite is viewed (often) as a kind of servant for the congregation.

No faux paux a well intentioned priest could do performing the TLM could equal the intentional deviations we have had inflicted on us in the liturgy, and excused, in the last forty years.


#18

“IMO, there needs to be mutual forebearance - but ther can be no rejection of Vatican II.”

Please cite the document from Vatican II which mandated the Novus Ordo.


#19

[quote=Gottle of Geer]## After all the disruption and anguish of changing from the older Mass, more disruption and anguish in changing back again is exactly what is not needed.

Why can’t the two Masses co-exist in peace, instead of being reasons for cat-fights ?

IMO, there needs to be mutual forebearance - but ther can be no rejection of Vatican II.

The real puzzle, if the excommunications in 1988 are to be overturned, is why they were imposed on the first place. If they are not valid now, why should they be treated as having been valid then ? I wish Abp. Lefebvre could have been alive to see this (I’d rather see him canonised than JP2). ##
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I agree with this. I don’t think I would like to see Abp. Lefebvre canonized though.


#20

I hope its true… If it is true then it will be a way to bring back the SSPX and other former catholics with same cases


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