Pope Francis : "God willed the plurality of religions"


#1

HH Francis signed this document, which contains this statement…

http://press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2019/02/04/0097/00199.html#tradinglese

“The pluralism and the diversity of religions … are willed by God in his wisdom…”

How can this be reconciled with Church teaching?


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#2

By ‘willed’ do you mean ‘commanded’, ‘desired’ or ‘permitted’ ?


#3

I quoted directly from the document… I don’t know what the authors meant

However, it certainly has a more ‘active’ feel to me, rather than the ‘passive’, which i think lines up better with Church teaching


#4

What perhaps may be an interesting counterpoint from another Pope…

Never perhaps in the past have we seen, as we see in these our own times, the minds of men so occupied by the desire both of strengthening and of extending to the common welfare of human society that fraternal relationship which binds and unites us together, and which is a consequence of our common origin and nature. For since the nations do not yet fully enjoy the fruits of peace - indeed rather do old and new disagreements in various places break forth into sedition and civic strife - and since on the other hand many disputes which concern the tranquility and prosperity of nations cannot be settled without the active concurrence and help of those who rule the States and promote their interests, it is easily understood, and the more so because none now dispute the unity of the human race, why many desire that the various nations, inspired by this universal kinship, should daily be more closely united one to another.

A similar object is aimed at by some, in those matters which concern the New Law promulgated by Christ our Lord. For since they hold it for certain that men destitute of all religious sense are very rarely to be found, they seem to have founded on that belief a hope that the nations, although they differ among themselves in certain religious matters, will without much difficulty come to agree as brethren in professing certain doctrines, which form as it were a common basis of the spiritual life. For which reason conventions, meetings and addresses are frequently arranged by these persons, at which a large number of listeners are present, and at which all without distinction are invited to join in the discussion, both infidels of every kind, and Christians, even those who have unhappily fallen away from Christ or who with obstinacy and pertinacity deny His divine nature and mission.

Certainly such attempts can nowise be approved by Catholics, founded as they are on that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy, since they all in different ways manifest and signify that sense which is inborn in us all, and by which we are led to God and to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule.

Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which it clearly follows that one who supports those who hold these theories and attempt to realize them, is altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion.

Pius XI
Mortalium Animos


#5

Yeah, the only way to understand it in an orthodox way is to treat it in the same sense that God wills sin to be the in the world. He doesn’t directly will sin, but He tolerates it to bring about a greater good. The same is true with error.

The problem is, the document equates it with things like there being two sexes, which is willed directly by God.

Just chalk it up to Pope Francis being Pope Francis…


#6

Someone who can read them, should check the other languages to see how that statement is phrased.


#7

The original is in French… paging @OraLabora


#8

I hadn’t even thought of that parallel, which is all the more concerning…


#9

This is a wonderfully powerful document. Have you read it’s entirety? What are you objecting to?


#10

The quote in the OP is what I object to.


#11

Quote the entire paragraph and the entire sentence.
It needs its context.

I applaud the forthright and brutal honesty of this document that these two men have published.

Here it is within its context:

“Freedom is a right of every person: each individual enjoys the freedom of belief, thought, expression and action. The pluralism and the diversity of religions, colour, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom, through which He created human beings. This divine wisdom is the source from which the right to freedom of belief and the freedom to be different derives. Therefore, the fact that people are forced to adhere to a certain religion or culture must be rejected, as too the imposition of a cultural way of life that others do not accept;”


#12

I don’t see what is inconsistent about this quote and what is written in Lumen Gentium, chapter 2, for instance. The pope’s statement seems to be a logical extension of the belief that God is, in all time and all places, working for the salvation of all humanity.


#13

Freedom is a right of every person: each individual enjoys the freedom of belief, thought, expression and action. The pluralism and the diversity of religions, colour, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom, through which He created human beings. This divine wisdom is the source from which the right to freedom of belief and the freedom to be different derives. Therefore, the fact that people are forced to adhere to a certain religion or culture must be rejected, as too the imposition of a cultural way of life that others do not accept.

So, just as God created male and female, he made different religions…?


#14

Thank you for placing the quote back in its proper context.


#15

Here’s the whole paragraph:

· Freedom is a right of every person: each individual enjoys the freedom of belief, thought, expression and action. The pluralism and the diversity of religions, colour, sex, race and language are willed by God in His wisdom, through which He created human beings. This divine wisdom is the source from which the right to freedom of belief and the freedom to be different derives. Therefore, the fact that people are forced to adhere to a certain religion or culture must be rejected, as too the imposition of a cultural way of life that others do not accept;

If nothing else, it address the coercion that goes on now in Muslim countries.
You also have to keep in mind that we talk about God’s will as perfect and permissive.


#16

We clearly have a shared ancestor, Abraham, we have a shared heritage in the Old Testament.
Christians, Jews, Muslims.

This document affirms shared moral and ethical values of Muslims and Catholics and pulls no punches.

Abortion, euthanasia, killing, materialism, exploitation, terrorism, and much more is strongly condemned.

The language of this document is very forthright. It also strongly identifies the direction humanity is heading in losing sight of God.

Thankyou @Maximilian75 for bringing it to the attention of this forum.


#17

Well, look around. There are different religions. Just like there is suffering.
God permits human beings to be human.


#18

Which I hope will be noted by those who like to claim that Pope Francis doesn’t speak out against abortion.


#19

Read the paragraphs about science, technology, mass media and materialism. …


#20

If the freedom proposed in this statement had been granted to all “heretics” the CC has identified and dealt with through the centuries our world would be different today.


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