[quote="JimR-OCDS, post:14, topic:342987"]
You quoted my post within your response, which makes responding near impossible without a lot of copy and pasting.
Anyway, but on one point, it wasn't the media who made statements about Muslims which caused nuns in Bethlehem to be murdered, and put Christians living in hostile areas of the world fearing for their lives. It was the 13th century quote about Islam which he made without out considering how it would inflame Muslims and how it put people's lives in jeopardy.
There are other statements he made, which although correct, the way and timing were wrong. It burnt down the bridges Pope John Paul II had made.
BTW, I'm 62 years old, I remember when Pope John Paul II was elected and he's my favorite Pope to date, followed by Pope John XIII and Pope Francis.
Pope Benedict XVI, a good and great theologian, but not my favorite Pope.
Jim, it's perfectly all right that he's not your favorite Pope, but if you are trying to claim that Pope Benedict's quote was responsible for Muslims murdering nuns, and 'burning of bridges', I respectfully disagree with you. In fact, I disagree with virtually all the conclusions that you have drawn based upon what I believe are misperceptions you have made and are making about Pope Benedict. . .perhaps because he is not a 'favorite' of yours.
Even the praises you give him (not just on this thread) are faint and followed usually by something on the order of, "sure he's brilliant but OF COURSE that means he's not understood by most ordinary folk". . .as if the being brilliant was a fault in itself.
But lest we hijack (unintentionally) the thread, let's go back to the topic at hand. . .I do find Pope Francis to be an exciting speaker and as I have often said, NOT to be saying anything contradictory to Catholic teaching.
I do like him personally, but the only anxiety (and it's not even really an anxiety so much as a faint worry) I have with his speeches is that so often what he said can be seen in ambiguous terms. Perhaps part of that is his Spanish-speaking background and his cultural roots giving him more a fluidity of speech; perhaps some is his Jesuit background. But it does appear that quite often one has to go far more into depth and exploration of the context not only of what Pope Francis says on a subject, but on the Church's historical teaching, to understand exactly what he says.
You might have thought that Benedict sounded too 'intellectual', but I (my own opinion here) found that he was crystal clear in that what he said was very well known (at least from this Baltimore Catechism educated gal) and articulated over some 20 centuries (with adjustments so that we are not speakething in ye olde dialect). With Francis, I find myself going, "does he really mean what the media says --because at a quick glance like us 'common folk' who don't have all kinds of edumacation and rely on the 7th grade reading level that this country has deemed appropriate for communication to the average adult--it often LOOKS as though Francis is saying something a little different from what the Church has been saying.
Then again, when one digs deeper, reads the whole story instead of sound bites, checks around based on the 'Jesuit world view'. . .one says, "OK, yes, Francis didn't say that focusing on abortion was not important, he didn't change the focus of Catholic teaching regarding abortion, the media is wrong'.
I actually don't think that Pope Francis is making it easier for the 'ordinary Catholic' to hear the gospel (as though the 'intelligentsia in the Vatican is 'chaining down the Bible' and making the word inaccessible). I think that he is a solid man, finding his voice, and that he will make some missteps as he does so and also find some really wonderful 'steps forward' as well. . .but he is NOT like Mr. Rogers making 'the neighborhood' aware, in simple phrases, all about God after the people had had to put up with Stephen Hawking going all cosmic and 'high-flown' for years before.
Finally, Benedict wasn't doing things 'all wrong' and now Francis is doing things 'all right'. . .(YOU did not say or imply that, but a host of those in the media are saying this --and the 'ordinary Catholic' is far more likely to start believing what is drilled into his ears by those good folks in the media, especially when Catholics come along and support them, even if what they are told is based on slant and bias and artificially 'elevating' one Pope's 'style' over another instead of seeing both styles as authentic and valid choices.)
What Francis says here makes perfect sense when it is carefully examined in light of Church teaching. . .but when it 'stands alone', it can be made to appear as something other than what he really said.