pope Joan


#1

In my daughters Catholic school, the children were taught as fact that their was a female pope called Joan plus other errors.
I know that this is not true and as I am writing a letter to the head of the RE department, I just wonder if any body could share some relevant facts on this subject.These facts I could use in the composition of my letter.
Yours in Christ


#2

[quote=robin hood]In my daughters Catholic school, the children were taught as fact that their was a female pope called Joan plus other errors.
I know that this is not true and as I am writing a letter to the head of the RE department, I just wonder if any body could share some relevant facts on this subject.These facts I could use in the composition of my letter.
Yours in Christ
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library.saint-mike.org/Essays-JohnPaul/Pope_Joan.html

then there is…

POPE “JOAN”

    At about the time of Pope Leo IV (847-855), some anti-Catholic 

polemicists alleged that a so-called “Pope Joan” held the papal office.
There is in fact, no truth in the story of the woman-pope. The legend is
based on ignorance of Latin, since this purported “Joan” is simply the common
abbreviation “Joan,” for “Joannes” (John) in early mediaeval manuscripts!

    In fact, it was a Protestant Calvinist who first (1657) 

demonstrated the unhistorical character of the allegation. He was
followed by Petrarch, Leibniz, Dollinger, and all historians since. An array
of reference books, from the Encyclopaedia Britannica to the Oxford
Dictionary of Popes, as well as Edward Gibbon, author of “The Decline and
Fall of the Roman Empire,” dismiss “Pope Joan” as a mythical or legendary
figure, no more real than Paul Bunyan or Old King Cole.

    The chief weakness of the Pope Joan story is the absence of any 

contemporary evidence of a female pope during the dates suggested for her
reign. In each instance, clerical records show someone else holding the
papacy and doing the deeds that are transcribed in church history.

    Another problem is the gap between the alleged event and the news of 

it. Not until the 13th century – 400 years after Joan, by the most accepted
accounts, ruled – does any mention of a female pope appear in any documents.
That’s akin to word breaking out just now that England in 1600 had a queen
named Elizabeth.

    So, if a woman didn't become pope, what did happen?  One explanation 

is that somebody was trying to be humorous. On the narrow Roman street,
where Joan was supposed to have been exposed as a woman in the papal
procession, is called the Vicus Papissa, named after the wealthy family of
Giovanni Pape. Years after the Papes were gone, it is suggested that a
visitor joked that Vicus Papissa meant “the street of the woman pope
[papissa]” instead of what it really means, “the street of Mrs. Pape”!


#3

angelfire.com/ms/seanie/popejoan.html


#4

Patrick Madrid devoted a chapter to “Pope Joan” in his book
Pope Fiction.

I believe it may be available online as well - maybe someone here could direct you to it.


#5

[quote=robin hood]In my daughters Catholic school, the children were taught as fact that their was a female pope called Joan plus other errors.
I know that this is not true and as I am writing a letter to the head of the RE department, I just wonder if any body could share some relevant facts on this subject.These facts I could use in the composition of my letter.
Yours in Christ
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I think you should CC the Bishop also, this is a matter that does involve him directly.


#6

Thanks everybody,I’ll get down to my letter writing with the info you have given me.


#7

[quote=Lorarose]Patrick Madrid devoted a chapter to “Pope Joan” in his book
Pope Fiction.

I believe it may be available online as well - maybe someone here could direct you to it.
[/quote]

Article on Envoy Magazine by Patric Madrid about Pope Fiction. Pope Joan is one of them. Read to get more knowledge about it.

Patrick Madrid’s book Pope Fiction has more detail if you wanna buy it.

program aired sometime agoPope Fiction. Courtesy of EWTN.com. Pope Joan is episode 13.

You will need real player to listen to the audio files. Here’s the free version. Click yes when a pop up appears.


#8

[quote=srkbdk]I think you should CC the Bishop also, this is a matter that does involve him directly.
[/quote]

I would leave the Bishop out of it, unless you don’t get an adequate response.


#9

[quote=robin hood] I am writing a letter to the head of the RE department
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Also it is always good to personally talk to someone in a non-confrontational manner first before sending a letter to their superior. That person may not realize their error.


#10

[quote=robin hood]In my daughters Catholic school, the children were taught as fact that their was a female pope called Joan plus other errors.
I know that this is not true and as I am writing a letter to the head of the RE department, I just wonder if any body could share some relevant facts on this subject.These facts I could use in the composition of my letter.
Yours in Christ
[/quote]

Here is another refutation of this “pope Joan” business:

angelfire.com/ms/seanie/popejoan.html

Please pardon my incredulity but the Catholic school your daughter attends actually taught this?

:slight_smile:

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+

Pillar and Foundation of Truth, the Church. (1 Tim 3:15)


#11

:rolleyes:

newadvent.org/cathen/08407a.htm

:rolleyes:


#12

I recommend that you go to the Catholic Encyclopedia on-line at www.newadvent.com and look up the entry on “Pope Joan.” The story is clearly a myth that originated in the 13th century, long after the alleged events took place.


#13

[quote=SHEMP]I would leave the Bishop out of it, unless you don’t get an adequate response.
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I wouldn’t. He is among the first people to go to. He is entrusted with passing on the faith to his flock. If this poing has gotten by him, he needs to be made known about it immediately.


#14

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