Prayer in Schools


#1

Okay - today one of my teachers read a passage from a book concerning what the “Right” wants to do with education :smiley: :wink:

In any case one thing that was mentioned that I feel probably is true is the desire for a return to prayer in school. Personally, while I support vouchers I would be opposed to this, because prayer in public school didn’t do Catholics any favors. It resulted in punishment if a catholic child wouldn’t read from the KJV - and probably also if they didn’t pray the protestant prayers their teachers told them too.

What do you all think?

Catholig


#2

Well, the problem is in the institution of state-owned schools.
In private-owned or church-owned or community-owned school system every school is free to chose if it allow children to pray or not. And parents are free to chose the school for their children.
In welfare state there is a problem, because government need to implement one solution for all. The religious neutrality is a myth. State school system can be either theocratic (close to one, arbitrary chosen religion and denomination) or “atheocratic” (rejecting prayers, crosses on walls etc.).


#3

Students are allowed to pray in school, in public schools, in every single State in the US. What is not allowed is for the teacher or principal to get up in front of the class and lead everyone in prayer. As a Catholic, I am glad that my child is not forced into a mandated prayer - if he were, a Baptist teacher could get up and pray “Lord, we thank thee for Sola Scriptura and that we are Once Saved Always Saved” - and I’d not want my Catholic Child to be led in that prayer :eek:

Kids can pray silently in class - and aloud during free times, for example, spending their recess time in prayer is fine or praying before lunch. Public schools have “meet me at the flagpole” prayer services. They have Bible clubs, heck, I’ve had teachers pray with me for my son during Parent Teacher meetings.


#4

What do I think?

I think that in light of some of the ideas the NEA supports and wants to see instituted in public education, praying in schools is the least of our worries.

Read 'em and weep: eagleforum.org/educate/2006/aug06/resolutions.html


#5

B-9. Racial Diversity Within Student Populations. The Association believes that to achieve or maintain racial diversity, it may be necessary for elementary/secondary schools, colleges, and universities to take race into account in making decisions as to student admissions, assignments, and/or transfers.

Other groups also believe that race should be a factor in admissions, they wear white robes and set crosses on fire…

The Association also believes that home-schooled students should not participate in any extracurricular activities in the public schools.

This is an absolute gem, the NEA opposes anyone having choice about funding public schools but wants to deny people their legal right to use public schools. The courts are very clear on this matter, publically funded schools and programs can be used by all citizens. Whether that’s the educational system or simply select programs like sports. A statement like this would be excellent grounds for a lawsuit if any teacher or public employee trys to make it difficult for private/home schooled children to take part in sports or activities.

E-10. Academic and Professional Freedom. Academic freedom includes the rights of teachers and learners to explore and discuss divergent points of view. A teacher shall not be fired, transferred, or removed from his or her position for refusing to suppress the free expression rights of students. Professional freedom includes the teachers’ right to evaluate, criticize, and/or advocate their personal point of view concerning the policies and programs of the schools. Furthermore, teachers must be free to depart from mandated scripted learning programs and pacing charts without prejudice or punishment.

I’d love to see if this extends to holocaust denial…

H-7. National Health Care Policy. The National Education Association believes that affordable, comprehensive health care, including prescription drug coverage, is the right of every resident. The Association supports the adoption of a single-payer health care plan for all residents of the United States, its territories, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.

H-11. Statehood for the District of Columbia. The Association supports efforts to achieve statehood for the District of Columbia.

I-1. Peace and International Relations. The Association urges all nations to develop treaties and disarmament agreements that reduce the possibility of war. The Association also believes that such treaties and agreements should prevent the placement of weapons in outer space. The Association believes that the United Nations (UN) furthers world peace and promotes the rights of all people by preventing war, racism, and genocide. The Association supports the U.S. Institute of Peace, which provides publications, information, programs, training, and research data in developing peacemaking and conflict resolution skills.

I-2. International Court of Justice. The Association urges participation by the United States in deliberations before the court.

I-3. International Criminal Court. The Association believes that the United States should ratify the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and recognize and support its authority and jurisdiction.

I-10. Human Rights. The National Education Association believes that the governments of all nations must respect and protect the basic human and civil rights of every individual, including equal access to education as embodied in the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

I-13. Family Planning. The National Education Association supports family planning, including the right to reproductive freedom. The Association also urges the implementation of community-operated, school-based family planning clinics that will provide intensive counseling by trained personnel.

I-18. Immigration. The Association opposes any immigration policy that denies educational opportunities to immigrants and their children regardless of their immigration status.

I-28. Freedom of Religion. The Association opposes any federal legislation or mandate that would require school districts to schedule a moment of silence.

What on earth does any of this have to do with public schools?


#6

wow! :bigyikes: who in the world are these people? do they have any real power? that is some scary stuff right there. I second evertying CCMo8 said.

Man, I’m so glad I got out of the education system. Well, they didn’t want me. And I’m just FINE with that!


#7

Sue, “they” are the National Education Association, the largest public school teacher’s union in the country. This is the type of stuff that they want to foist off onto America’s children.

Some other gems from the same convention make their agenda crystal-clear; all bolding is mine, with my own responses in blue:

"A-14. Financial Support of Public Education. The Association believes that:

Funds must be provided for programs to alleviate race, gender, and sexual orientation discrimination and to eliminate portrayal of race, gender, sexual orientation and gender identification stereotypes in the public schools.

In other words, they want to teach your kids that homosexuality is normal, positive, and good, and if you oppose this on moral grounds, you should be suppressed.

A-15. Federal Financial Support of Public Education. The Association opposes any federal legislation, laws, or regulations that provide funds, goods, or services to sectarian schools.

A-24. Voucher Plans and Tuition Tax Credits. The Association opposes voucher plans, tuition tax credits, or other such funding arrangements that pay for students to attend sectarian schools.

Of course. They want to maintain their monopoly on both the money and on the forming of young minds to fit their agendas alone.

The Association also believes that any private school or agency that receives public funding through voucher plans, tax credits, or other funding/financial arrangements must be subject to all accountability measures and regulations required of public schools.

As above. They want that mind-shaping monopoly. “You have to use OUR curricula!”

B-1. Early Childhood Education. The National Education Association supports early childhood education programs in the public schools for children from birth through age eight…The Association also believes that early childhood education programs should include a full continuum of services for parents/guardians and children, including child care, child development, developmentally appropriate and diversity-based curricula, special education, and appropriate bias-free screening devices

In other words, they want to teach your kids that homosexuality is normal, positive, and good, and if you oppose this on moral grounds, you should be suppressed.

These programs must be available to all children on an equal basis and should include mandatory kindergarten with compulsory attendance.

In other words, if you disagree with the agenda in the program, too bad. Your children should be forced to attend anyway.

B-8. Diversity. The National Education Association believes that similarities and differences among races, ethnicity, color, national origin, language, geographic location, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identification, age, physical ability, size, occupation, and marital, parental, or economic status form the fabric of a society. The Association also believes that education should foster the values of appreciation and acceptance of the various qualities that pertain to people as individuals and as members of diverse populations.

In other words, they want to teach your kids that homosexuality is normal, positive, and good.

B-9. Racial Diversity Within Student Populations. The Association believes that to achieve or maintain racial diversity, it may be necessary for elementary/secondary schools, colleges, and universities to take race into account in making decisions as to student admissions, assignments, and/or transfers.

Compulsory bussing and removal of testing standards. Same old liberal song for the last 35 years.

B-10. Racism, Sexism, Sexual Orientation and Gender Identification Discrimination. Discrimination and stereotyping based on such factors as race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identification, disability, ethnicity, immigration status, occupation, and religion must be eliminated. The Association also believes that these factors should not affect the legal rights and obligations of the partners in a legally recognized domestic partnership, civil union, or marriage in regard to matters involving the other partner, such as medical decisions, taxes, inheritance, adoption, and immigration.

In other words, they fully support homosexuality and homosexual “unions”, men who think they’re women, women who think they’re men, and illegal aliens, and they want legitimization of all these.


#8

Plans, activities, and programs must —

Increase respect, understanding, acceptance, and sensitivity toward individuals and groups in a diverse society composed of such groups as American Indians/Alaska natives, Asians and Pacific Islanders, Blacks, Hispanics, women, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transgendered persons, and people with disabilities

**Eliminate discrimination and stereotyping in curricula, textbooks, resource and instructional materials, activities, etc.

Foster the dissemination and use of nondiscriminatory and nonstereotypical language, resources, practices, and activities**

They want complete legitimization of all forms of sexual deviancy and demand textbooks that reflect that viewpoint.

Integrate an accurate portrayal of the roles and contributions of all groups throughout history across curricula, particularly groups who have been under-represented historically

Eliminate subtle practices that favor the education of one student over another on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, gender identification, disability, ethnicity, or religion

Again: they want to legitimize all forms of sexual deviancy, and teach your kids that such things are normal, positive, and good; and if you oppose this on moral grounds, you should be suppressed.

Encourage all members of the educational community to examine assumptions and prejudices, including, but not limited to, racism, sexism, and homophobia, that might limit the opportunities and growth of students and education employees

“Don’t get in the way of our ‘Gay Is Good’ campaign!”

Offer positive and diverse role models in our society including the recruitment, hiring, and promotion of diverse education employees in our public schools

They want to hire as many homosexuals and Communists as they can to help indoctrinate your children.

Coordinate with organizations and concerned agencies that promote the contributions, heritage, culture, history, and special health and care needs of diverse population groups

“Gay Is Good.” And all cultures are equally good, just as long as they’re not Western, American, Caucasian, or Christian.

B-19. Education of Refugee and Undocumented Children and Children of Undocumented Immigrants. The National Education Association believes that, regardless of the immigration status of students or their parents, every student has the right to a free public education. The Association further believes that students who have resided in the United States for at least five years at the time of high school graduation should be granted amnesty by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, granted legal residency status, and allowed to apply for U.S. citizenship.

They support all forms of illegal immigration.

B-34. Multicultural Education. The National Education Association believes that multiculturalism is the process of valuing differences and incorporating the values identified into behavior for the goal of achieving the common good. Multi-cultural education should promote the recognition of individual and group differences and similarities in order to reduce racism, homophobia, ethnic and all other forms of prejudice, and discrimination and to develop self-esteem as well as respect for others.

Again: Gay is Good, as is every culture that is not Western, American, Caucasian, or Christian.


#9

B-35. Global Education. The National Education Association believes that global education imparts an appreciation of our interdependency in sharing the world’s resources to meet mutual human needs.

Greenie tree-hugging quasi-Marxist world government baloney.

B-43. Family Life Education. The Association believes that programs should be established for both students and parents/guardians and supported at all educational levels to promote —

An understanding of societal issues and problems related to children, spouses, parents/guardians, domestic partners, older generation family members, and other family members.

The Association also believes that education in these areas must be presented as part of an anti-biased, culturally-sensitive program.

They demand legitimization of every form of deviant sexuality, and likewise demand that you accept it without question.

B-44. Environmental Education. **The Association supports educational programs that promote —

An awareness of the effects of past, present, and future population growth patterns on world civilization, human survival, and the environment

Solutions to environmental problems such as nonrenewalable resource depletion, pollution, global warming, ozone depletion, and acid precipitation and deposition

The recognition of and participation in such activities as Earth Day**

More Greenie tree-hugging baloney. Marxist front for teaching your kids that capitalism and Western culture is bad.

B-46. Sex Education. The Association recognizes that the public school must assume an increasingly important role in providing the instruction. Teachers and health professionals must be qualified to teach in this area and must be legally protected from censorship and lawsuits.

They want to teach your kids to accept any weird form of perverted sexuality that they want, and they want to prevent you from doing anything about it.


#10

The Association also believes that to facilitate the realization of human potential, it is the right of every individual to live in an environment of freely available information and knowledge about sexuality and encourages affiliates and members to support appropriately established sex education programs. Such programs should include information on sexual abstinence, birth control and family planning, diversity of culture, diversity of sexual orientation and gender identification, parenting skills, prenatal care, sexually transmitted diseases, incest, sexual abuse, sexual harassment, homophobia.

Gee, when I went to school, we only learned silly unimportant things like reading, writing, math, and such. How lucky today’s kids are to get plunged into the lowest depths of human depravity, and to be taught how good and normal it is.

B-47. HIV/AIDS Education. The National Education Association believes that educational institutions should establish comprehensive human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) and acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) education programs as an integral part of the school curriculum.

If they didn’t oversex the kids with hypersexual agendas of all forms, encouraging the kids to become sexually active from the age of six and up, HIV and AIDS wouldn’t be much of a problem.

B-54. Education on Peace and International Understanding. The National Education Association believes that educational strategies for teaching peace and justice issues should include the role of individuals, social movements, international and nongovernmental organizations. The Association also believes that educational materials should include activities dealing with the effects of nuclear weaponry and other weapons of mass destruction, strategies for disarmament, methods to achieve peace. Such curricular materials should also cover major contributing factors to conflict, such as economic disparity, demographic variables, unequal political power and resource distribution, and the indebtedness of the developing world.

Marxist nonsense, and what does this have to do with education???

B-62. Standardized Testing of Students. The National Education Association believes that standardized tests should be used only to improve the quality of education and instruction for students. **The Association opposes the use of standardized tests when —

Used as the criterion for the reduction or withholding of any educational funding

Results are used to compare students, teachers, programs, schools, communities, and states

Scores are used to track students**

In other words, “We know that we’re not teaching kids to read, write, or do math, and we don’t want to be held to any kind of standard that will display our failure.”

B-73. Home Schooling. The National Education Association believes that home schooling programs based on parental choice cannot provide the student with a comprehensive education experience.

In other words, “If you don’t allow us to get our hands on your child, then we can’t socially-engineer him to hate religion, hate America, embrace homosexuality, distrust his parents, and champion Communism.”

When home schooling occurs, students enrolled must meet all state curricular requirements, including the taking of assessments to ensure adequate academic progress. Home schooling should be limited to the children of the immediate family, with all expenses being born by the parents/guardians. Instruction should be by persons who are licensed by the appropriate state education licensure agency, and a curriculum approved by the state department of education should be used.

In other words, “If you’re not going to allow us to get our hands on your child’s impressionable mind, then we demand that you use OUR curricula—epsecially those parts about homosexuality and Marxist balderdash. And if you try it, then we demand that you don’t get any money to do it with!”

The Association also believes that home-schooled students should not participate in any extracurricular activities in the public schools.

Petty, vindictive punishment of the children they claim to care so much about. They don’t give a rat’s patootie about kids, other than to indoctrinate them.


#11

C-23. Comprehensive School Health, Social and Psychological Programs and Services. The National Education Association believes that every child should have direct and confidential access to comprehensive health, social, and psychological programs and services. **The Association believes that programs in the schools should provide —

A planned sequential, pre-K through 12 health education curriculum that integrates various health topics** (such as drug abuse, the dangers of performance enhancing dietary herbal supplements, violence, safety issues, universal precautions, and HIV education)

Again: legitimization of illicit sex.

If deemed appropriate by local choice, family-planning counseling and access to birth control methods with instruction in their use.

And if you oppose birth control on moral grounds, then you should be suppressed.

C-27. Student Sexual Orientation and Gender Identification. The National Education Association believes that all persons, regardless of sexual orientation or gender identification, should be afforded equal opportunity and guaranteed a safe and inclusive environment within the public education system. The Association also believes that, for students who are struggling with their sexual orientation or gender identification, every school district and educational institution should provide counseling services and programs that deal with high suicide and dropout rates and the high incidence of teen prostitution.

Again: they demand the complete legitimization of all forms of sexual deviancy. Or else.

D-8. Hiring Policies and Practices for Teaching Positions. The National Education Association believes that hiring policies and practices must be nondiscriminatory and include provisions for the recruitment of a diverse teaching staff.

In other words, they want to hire as many homosexuals and Communists as they possibly can to help indoctrinate your children.

D-21. Competency Testing of Licensed Teachers. The National Education Association believes that competency testing must not be used as a condition of employment, license retention, evaluation, placement, ranking, or promotion of licensed teachers.

Golly gee, that isn’t what they said about homeschooling parents above, in Number B-73 above. I guess it’s okay to be incompetant, as long as you’re an officially-licensed NEA incompetant.

E-3. Selection and Challenges of Materials and Teaching Techniques. The Association deplores prepublishing censorship, book-burning crusades, and attempts to ban books from school libraries/media centers and school curricula.

Oh, please. Where do they think they are, Nazi Germany? When was the last time you heard about a public book burning in America? All this amounts to is their demand that their homosexually-charged pornography disguised as grade school curricula can’t be barred from the schools.

E-10. Academic and Professional Freedom. Academic freedom includes the rights of teachers and learners to explore and discuss divergent points of view. A teacher shall not be fired, transferred, or removed from his or her position for refusing to suppress the free expression rights of students. Professional freedom includes the teachers’ right to evaluate, criticize, and/or advocate their personal point of view concerning the policies and programs of the schools. Furthermore, teachers must be free to depart from mandated scripted learning programs and pacing charts without prejudice or punishment.

“We want to be able to teach your children whatever weird, perverted type of trash that we want, without fear of reprisal from you or anyone else. It’s our right.”


#12

F-1. Nondiscriminatory Personnel Policies/Affirmative Action. The National Education Association believes that personnel policies and practices must guarantee that no person be employed, retained, paid, dismissed, suspended, demoted, transferred, retired or harassed because of race, color, national origin, cultural diversity, accent, religious beliefs, residence, physical disability, political activities, professional association activity, age, size, marital status, family relationship, gender, sexual orientation or gender identification.

They demand the right to hire active homosexuals, men who think they’re women, women who think they’re men, and God knows what other kinds of strange combinations, to teach your children and provide that type of role model for them.

Affirmative action plans and procedures that encourage active recruitment and employment of ethnic minorities, women, persons with disabilities, and men in under-represented education categories should be developed and implemented.

We’ve tried affirmative action for the last 40 years. It doesn’t work.

H-7. National Health Care Policy. The National Education Association believes that affordable, comprehensive health care, including prescription drug coverage, is the right of every resident. The Association supports the adoption of a single-payer health care plan for all residents of the United States, its territories, and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.

H-11. Statehood for the District of Columbia. The Association supports efforts to achieve statehood for the District of Columbia.

I-1. Peace and International Relations. The Association urges all nations to develop treaties and disarmament agreements that reduce the possibility of war. The Association also believes that such treaties and agreements should prevent the placement of weapons in outer space. The Association believes that the United Nations (UN) furthers world peace and promotes the rights of all people by preventing war, racism, and genocide. The Association supports the U.S. Institute of Peace, which provides publications, information, programs, training, and research data in developing peacemaking and conflict resolution skills.

What does all this have to do with education?

I-2. International Court of Justice. The Association urges participation by the United States in deliberations before the court.

I-3. International Criminal Court. The Association believes that the United States should ratify the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court and recognize and support its authority and jurisdiction.

More Marxist globalist baloney, and again, what does this have to do with education???

I-13. Family Planning. The National Education Association supports family planning, including the right to reproductive freedom. The Association also urges the implementation of community-operated, school-based family planning clinics that will provide intensive counseling by trained personnel.

They want to teach your kid birth control, which means teaching him why birth control is needed. If you oppose this on moral grounds, tough.


#13

I-18. Immigration. The Association opposes any immigration policy that denies educational opportunities to immigrants and their children regardless of their immigration status.

They support all forms of illegal immigration.

I-28. Freedom of Religion. The Association opposes any federal legislation or mandate that would require school districts to schedule a moment of silence.

They despise all forms of religion, even the appearance of any form of religion, Christianity especially, and want it suppressed.

I-41. Elimination of Discrimination. The National Education Association is committed to the elimination of discrimination based on race, ethnicity, economic status, religion, disability, sexual orientation, gender identification, age, and all other forms of discrimination. The Association encourages its members and all other members of the educational community to engage in courageous conversations in order to examine assumptions, prejudices, discriminatory practices, and their effects.

They demand the legitimization of all forms of sexual deviancy, and likewise demand that you accept it as well. If you oppose it on moral grounds, you should be suppressed.

I-49. Linguistic Diversity. The Association believes that efforts to legislate English as the official language disregard cultural pluralism; deprive those in need of education, social services, and employment; and must be challenged.

Or in other words, they want to undermine the cultural homogeny of the United States by demanding that schoolchildren be taught in whatever language, be it Spanish, French, Hindi, Serbo-Croatian, Aleut, Bantu, or Klingon. Forget all that “melting pot” business.

And people wonder why I homseschool my son???


#14

Can I have a source?

catholig


#15

I put the link in Post #4; but here it is again:

eagleforum.org/educate/2006/aug06/resolutions.html


#16

I don’t understand…why is prayer in school an issue? With so many kids today with failing scores in the academic areas, many be concerned with whether or not prayer is allowed? And from my understanding, kids can pray on their own during school time…isn’t that enough?


#17

Here’s the original
nea.org/annualmeeting/raaction/images/resolutions2006-2007.pdf

Happy reading :eek: of 93 pages :smiley:

Jennifer


#18

And to think I was going to waste my night in dreamland… :stuck_out_tongue:


#19

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