Prayers needed the courts are at it again this time a child!


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**October 11, 2005

Infant off ventilator breathing on his own

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By Kevin Corcoran
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A 5-month-old boy removed from life support under a judge’s order was breathing on his own Monday, but there’s still little hope of recovery.
“He’s breathing like a champ,” said Marion Superior Court Judge Marilyn A. Moores, who issued the order ending life support at the request of Indiana’s Department of Child Services.
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Officials in the department’s Marion County office on Friday sought Hamad Elijah Sanda’s removal from a ventilator. The agency had taken custody of the baby Sept. 26, four days after he was brought to Methodist Hospital’s emergency room with a fractured skull and severe, irreversible brain injuries.



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I would love to take in other people’s children if they can’t handle them! Stop allowing your children to be hurt!! Others would love them and care for them if you are unable. I do not have the fumds to adopt or the room in my home to foster children. I hope one day I can make a loving home for children in need.


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I think that child protective has an agenda here: to have mom charged with murder so she can never get her other children back or be able to have another child.

Also, the court should have waited for the father before taking the baby off the vent. He was not around when the baby was injured, he should still be allowed to have a say in what happens to his child.

Th baby has only been in the hospital a short time. How do they know his injuries are “irreversible”? Babies are amazing healers-they usually recover better and faster than the adults. I used to take care of one child who was given a prognosis of 2 days to live after he was born. He’s now 6 years old and is the fiestiest rascal you’ve ever seen. :smiley:


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Dr. David Westenkirchner, director of the pediatric critical care unit at Methodist, testified Friday that no one knows how long the boy can survive off of the ventilator.

In her ruling, Moores wrote that the medical experts had assured her that “he will never be able to eat by mouth. . . . He would likely be blind and deaf. He will never sit, stand, roll over, crawl, talk, smile, laugh or in any way interact meaningfully with his environment.”

Anyone else see a problem in these statments?? The doctors tell us they don’t know how long he can live because they don’t know how bad the damage is BUT they can ASSURE the judge that he will never be a normal child? The doctors need to pick a side and stick to it! And who decides what will be a normal life???


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Even assuming all the medical experts’ assurances are correct, we could add:
He will never make fun of another child, injure or kill another person, take advantage of another person, deny another person food, clothing or shelter, use other persons as pawns in a political struggle, pander to those who support immoral views, promote the culture of death, aspire to be the next Hitler, etc…

Who can’t love such a child?


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[quote=Magster]Even assuming all the medical experts’ assurances are correct, we could add:
He will never make fun of another child, injure or kill another person, take advantage of another person, deny another person food, clothing or shelter, use other persons as pawns in a political struggle, pander to those who support immoral views, promote the culture of death, aspire to be the next Hitler, etc…

Who can’t love such a child?
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:amen:


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Lisa,

Maybe Hamad Elijah Sanda’s injuries aren’t so irreversable if he’s breathing on his own, and maybe Dr. David Westenkirchner and the others experts ought to give this child a chance, even if he’s “not going to be able to live a normal life”.

Since when was that the test of whether someone was allowed to live or die? Since when did we decide who got to live and how didn’t by the morality contained in the book, The Release of the Distruction of the Life Devoid of Value, which became the Nazis’ Bible?

Blessed are they who defend the Defenseles and the Innocent, Michael


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Mom od One:

Child Protective Services can have her charged with “Felony Child Endangerment” (if she only allowed the battery or the injury) or “Felony Battery with Gross Bodily Injuries” (If she did the battery and caused the injury) on the basis of Hamid’s injuries and any evidence of whether she or someone else is the assailent. Either one permanently removes any and all children from her custody and puts her in prison for a minimum of two years.

If removal of the children is what they’re trying to accomplish, Hamid doesn’t need to die.

After reading the article, I understand neither the relationship of the mother to the father or why they couldn’t bring the father in before making such an impoartant decision. I also don’t understand why custody isn’t being given to the father.

I’m sure there are reasons for both of the two decisions, but we aren’t told them…

[quote=Mom of one]I think that child protective has an agenda here: to have mom charged with murder so she can never get her other children back or be able to have another child.

Also, the court should have waited for the father before taking the baby off the vent. He was not around when the baby was injured, he should still be allowed to have a say in what happens to his child.

The baby has only been in the hospital a short time. How do they know his injuries are “irreversible”? Babies are amazing healers-they usually recover better and faster than the adults. I used to take care of one child who was given a prognosis of 2 days to live after he was born. He’s now 6 years old and is the fiestiest rascal you’ve ever seen. :smiley:
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… I used to work with DD Adults who had Cerebral Palsy. I agree that someone has made the determination that Hamid’s condition is irreversible too quickly:

We have NO MRI.
We have NO PET.
We have NO 24 Hours lead of EEG.

Why the rush?

Is a severely disabled child that much of a burden?

If so, maybe we are all just that much of a burden, and the forces of death have decided they want to begin making their case for Eugenic Post-Partem Abortion! That way, they can rid the world of all severely disabled children who would be too much of a burden for the “compassionate ones” who believe that we display compassion by supporting all the right political causes, but never by cleaning the bottoms of some severaly disabled children or adults whom God has sent us to test our real compassion!

But, after that, who’s next on the “He’ll never live a normal life list?”

Remember, there are Insurance Companies and Federal and State Government Agencies who would dearly love to save money.

What’s going to happen when they figure out how much money they can save by denying care to severely ill and injured patients, instead of paying for their care?

What’s keeping them from doing that if some judge decides to allow the state officials to pull the feeding tude from Hamid and children in similar situations?

Blessed are they who defend the Defenseless and the Innocent, Michael


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Doctor’s told my mom when I was seven months old because of the cardiac condition I was born with (that they had just diagnosed) I would die within 24 hours. My fiesty Italian grandmother got up in the doctor’s face and shaking her finger at him said “If anyone dies in 24 hours it’s going to be you!” Obviously they were wrong since I’ve made to 33 years of age (and counting). And lucky for the doctor my grandmother’s prediction didn’t come true either. :smiley:

I will keep this little one in my prayers.:gopray:


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[quote=rayne89]Doctor’s told my mom when I was seven months old because of the cardiac condition I was born with (that they had just diagnosed) I would die within 24 hours. My fiesty Italian grandmother got up in the doctor’s face and shaking her finger at him said “If anyone dies in 24 hours it’s going to be you!” Obviously they were wrong since I’ve made to 33 years of age (and counting). And lucky for the doctor my grandmother’s prediction didn’t come true either. :smiley:

I will keep this little one in my prayers.:gopray:
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:clapping: :clapping:


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During my pregnancy I had a severe weird nerve damage thing to a severe extent that doctors said they hadn’t seen. I gained an extra 50 lbs of fluid, most of which settled in my extremities and around my heart. Gained a total of 75 lbs with baby and all. after delivery (c-section my heart wouldn’t make it otherwise due to all the fluid) a doctor told me that I probably wouldn’t walk again or have the swelling go down to normal proportions. Now 5 months later I am only up 10 lbs and I can problally run faster than that doc!!!


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“They” said the same thing about Charlotte Wyatt, (even to the point of the DOCTORS issuing a DNR order for her and continuing to enforce it throught the UK judicial system) and she’s right about two now, and looking pretty good.

Check it out: charlottewyatt.blogspot.com/


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[quote=Magster]Even assuming all the medical experts’ assurances are correct, we could add:
He will never make fun of another child, injure or kill another person, take advantage of another person, deny another person food, clothing or shelter, use other persons as pawns in a political struggle, pander to those who support immoral views, promote the culture of death, aspire to be the next Hitler, etc…

Who can’t love such a child?
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Oh how right you are! Childern are a gift from GOD and are our future. God bless this little one. Give him the strength to survive and show the world that life is precious no matter what!


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Unless “murdered” we all go in God’s time. Not a day before.

Praying for this child and all the other children of God in this situation.:gopray: :bible1: :gopray2:


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