cont. from prior post
Beyond all of that we also read many interesting things in the book of Revelation such as the following:
Rev 5:8 says:
***When he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Another angel with a golden censer came and stood at the altar; he was given a great quantity of incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar that is before the throne. And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel.
In those passages we see that the saints and angel participate in handling the prayers offered by the earthly saints.
The book of Revelation also shows us communication between earthly and heavenly saints as demonstrated by the following.
Then one of the elders said to me, "Do not weep. See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals."
The elder spoke to John just as the angel spoke to John. The heavenly saints are like the angels. Once in heaven, subsequent to the resurrection, the earthly saints are like the angels and they form part of that group described as follows in Hebrews 12:18-24
You have not come to something that can be touched, a blazing fire, and darkness, and gloom, and a tempest, and the sound of a trumpet, and a voice whose words made the hearers beg that not another word be spoken to them. (For they could not endure the order that was given, "If even an animal touches the mountain, it shall be stoned to death.” Indeed, so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, “I tremble with fear.”) But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.
As Christians we have come to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. In doing so, we have not come to only Jesus the mediator of the a new covenant, but we have come to God and His angels and His saints.
Some raise the objection that the saints in heaven can’t hear/know our prayers and that they can’t possibly understand the multitude of languages spoken on earth by those that pray for their intercession. Well logic and scripture deny that objection. First of all, we cannot limit what the heavenly saints can do to only what we can do. Scripture indicates that we cannot even imagine what God has prepared for those in heaven. Likewise, some object saying that one would have to be omniscient to know all the prayers that are offered and that only God is omniscient. Actually, knowing the prayers of a finite number of people would not require anything close to omniscience because we are talking about a finite number of prayers which only make up a tiny fraction of our infinite God’s knowledge and omniscience.
The saints in heaven will understand prayers as the Holy Spirit allows, just as those in the book of Acts could hear the apostles speaking in their own languages on Pentecost “as the Spirit gave them ability”[Acts 2:4].
Likewise, scripture gives us a great indicator concerning what can be understood in heaven even by a man who had not yet passed on into glory. John, a living mortal, witnesses the following:
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, singing, "To the one seated on the throne and to the Lamb be blessing and honor and glory and might forever and ever!"
John could apparently understand all those singing regardless of their language and he knew that they were all singing the quoted prayer. If John was given that gift then so was everyone else in heaven that was singing the song because they were participating in perfect unison.
And there’s this verse too:
***After this I looked, and there was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, robed in white, with palm branches in their hands. They cried out in a loud voice, saying,“Salvation belongs to our God who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!” ***
John could hear/know all of that, so it is clear that the saints hear/know all of that as well because they are witnessing and experiencing what John is witnessing. They know our prayers and they are aware of what is going on down on earth. And notice that the scripture says that the multitude were of all tribes, nations, and languages. Even so John knew that they were saying “Salvation belongs to our God who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb!"
I think that scripture fully supports praying to the saints. I’ll let someone else address your question concerning the ECF’s.
I hope this helps and God bless.