Pride


#1

I have a serious question…

I know we AREN’T suppose to be proud or act with pride…I don’t want to be proud…I’d rather be in humility. Though after examining my conscious, a disturbing thought came to mind…what if we try to be humble but then that’s ACTUALLY pride itself right there? How on earth can you really, truly discern between true humilty and “fake” humility?


#2

[quote=Paris Blues]I have a serious question…

I know we AREN’T suppose to be proud or act with pride…I don’t want to be proud…I’d rather be in humility. Though after examining my conscious, a disturbing thought came to mind…what if we try to be humble but then that’s ACTUALLY pride itself right there? How on earth can you really, truly discern between true humilty and “fake” humility?
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mmmmmm? Let’s see. I don’t want to show unhealthy pride, so I will be humble. Now I am proud that I have shown such humilty. Quite the dilemma isn’t it? :slight_smile:


#3

[quote=Paris Blues]I have a serious question…

I know we AREN’T suppose to be proud or act with pride…I don’t want to be proud…I’d rather be in humility. Though after examining my conscious, a disturbing thought came to mind…what if we try to be humble but then that’s ACTUALLY pride itself right there? How on earth can you really, truly discern between true humilty and “fake” humility?
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The humility itself is not pride. Pride may result from humility though if you let it go to your head.

If you think your self better than someone else because you are being humble, then that is pride and it is a sin. To be humble because you do not want to be prideful is not a sin. You must keep it in your mind that you have nothing to be proud of.


#4

Hey Paris!
Let’s don’t get all scrupulous on me now okay? :slight_smile:
One of the tricks that our minds like to play and the devil likes to encourage is to get us all hung up about something good like this so that we get confused and scrupulous about it.

I see it this way…if I do something and consciously choose the humblest path that I can because I know that’s what Our Lord wants of me then I know also that I can trust the Holy Spirit to guide me about it and not let me get self-righteous. One of the most telling thing is our actual motivation for the things that we do. If I am “acting” humble in order to get attention and to look good in the eyes of others then I’m messed up…if I choose to remain in th ehumblest position because I wish to be like Jesus and obey his commands, then God is in that and we’re good to go. Does this help?
Pax vobiscum,


#5

True humility requires that you have a fair understanding of your own weaknesses and strengths, and have a proper gratitude to God for the gifts that He has given. Among other things, this understanding prevents you from “hiding your light under a bushel.”

Offering humble thanks to God while exercising the talents He has given you is part and parcel of true humility.


#6

[quote=Church Militant]Hey Paris!
Let’s don’t get all scrupulous on me now okay? :slight_smile:
One of the tricks that our minds like to play and the devil likes to encourage is to get us all hung up about something good like this so that we get confused and scrupulous about it.

I see it this way…if I do something and consciously choose the humblest path that I can because I know that’s what Our Lord wants of me then I know also that I can trust the Holy Spirit to guide me about it and not let me get self-righteous. One of the most telling thing is our actual motivation for the things that we do. If I am “acting” humble in order to get attention and to look good in the eyes of others then I’m messed up…if I choose to remain in th ehumblest position because I wish to be like Jesus and obey his commands, then God is in that and we’re good to go. Does this help?
Pax vobiscum,
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Not that I’m scrupulous or anything (hope I’m not!) but I just want to be aware. But thanks for you help!


#7

[quote=demolitionman65]True humility requires that you have a fair understanding of your own weaknesses and strengths, and have a proper gratitude to God for the gifts that He has given. Among other things, this understanding prevents you from “hiding your light under a bushel.”

Offering humble thanks to God while exercising the talents He has given you is part and parcel of true humility.
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You mean, I have been given a gift of illustrating…is it like when I know the skill doesn’t come from me alone…it comes from God who gives me the skill. Is it like that?


#8

:blessyou:

[quote=Paris Blues]I have a serious question…

I know we AREN’T suppose to be proud or act with pride…I don’t want to be proud…I’d rather be in humility. Though after examining my conscious, a disturbing thought came to mind…what if we try to be humble but then that’s ACTUALLY pride itself right there? How on earth can you really, truly discern between true humilty and “fake” humility?
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Pride is something I struggle with everyday as my confessor knows so well. To me, Pride is a self love thing. Humility is to love others (GOD) first.

For example, I sing. I could be prideful of that and in fact I have been. But I know that my ability is God given. So I ask God to help me further His Word in song as I cantor and I give Him praise for allowing me this way of showing love for Him. When complimented, I also give thanks to God first for the gift.

So for me to get “over” being prideful, I pray and give praise to God first and always.
May God bless you and the many gifts you share with others,

Donna


#9

I’m proud that I’m a (Roman) Catholic. Am I in trouble?


#10

You mean, I have been given a gift of illustrating…is it like when I know the skill doesn’t come from me alone…it comes from God who gives me the skill. Is it like that?

If I understand you as saying that your skill of illustrating comes from God, and you acknowledge that the initial gift is from Him, this helps in having true humility.

There is nothing wrong with saying you are good at something, so long as you recall that it is God who provided you with that goodness.

Does this help?


#11

I’m proud that I’m a (Roman) Catholic. Am I in trouble?

Kevin, I would ask you if you use that pride as a means of thinking yourself as better than Protestants. If so, you are suffering from the sin of pride (IMHO).

If, on the other hand, you consider yourself to be luckier than Protestants. . .then no. LOL


#12

[quote=demolitionman65]Kevin, I would ask you if you use that pride as a means of thinking yourself as better than Protestants. If so, you are suffering from the sin of pride (IMHO).

If, on the other hand, you consider yourself to be luckier than Protestants. . .then no. LOL
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What if you thought, “the CC is THE Church with all the truth in it…I’m glad to know the Truth, but I wish Protestants would come to know this Truth and understand!” What would that be?


#13

[quote=demolitionman65]If I understand you as saying that your skill of illustrating comes from God, and you acknowledge that the initial gift is from Him, this helps in having true humility.

There is nothing wrong with saying you are good at something, so long as you recall that it is God who provided you with that goodness.

Does this help?
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Yes. Now if I were to be proud and think, I can draw better than you or whoever, that would be a sin! And no doubt God can perhaps leave me to struggle with this talent…in other words, if I was proud of it selfishly, then I wouldn’t be able to illustrate anymore! Do I make sense? I mean, I acknowledgre it being a gift from God and that’s humility…but if I become proud of it and say, I am sooo good at drawing, then maybe I could lose that ability to draw because I wouldn’t be humble enough, eh?


#14

if I was proud of it selfishly, then I wouldn’t be able to illustrate anymore! Do I make sense? I mean, I acknowledgre it being a gift from God and that’s humility…but if I become proud of it and say, I am sooo good at drawing, then maybe I could lose that ability to draw because I wouldn’t be humble enough, eh?

That certainly is possible, but it tends to anthropomorphize God (give Him human traits, expect him to act humanly), to make Him look like a child who will take away a present given to another child when the receiver uses the gift in a way the giver thinks is wrong. God is not vengeful.

What WILL happen is the union between you and God that helps nurture that talent is weakened (though persistent pride), and you then may not use the gift in union with His will, thereby weakening the results of your art.


#15

What if you thought, “the CC is THE Church with all the truth in it…I’m glad to know the Truth, but I wish Protestants would come to know this Truth and understand!” What would that be?

To have the wish is fine. To even lovingly correct/offer this to Protestants is fine. What is NOT fine is to then think to ourselves; “They’re just misguided so-and-sos for rejecting the truth (as I have told them).”


#16

[quote=demolitionman65]Kevin, I would ask you if you use that pride as a means of thinking yourself as better than Protestants. If so, you are suffering from the sin of pride (IMHO).

If, on the other hand, you consider yourself to be luckier than Protestants. . .then no. LOL
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No. I consider myself very lucky indeed to be born into the one true faith. And within that one true faith I am proud to be a, so-called, cradle Catholic.

Therefore, independent of Protestenism, I am proud to be a (Roman) Catholic.

Since I do not believe in Sola Sciptura, or the elect, or the chosen, or disbelief in the Pope, or the disbelief in the Transubstantuation, or the disbelief in Holy Relics, and I do believe in the one, holy, and Apostolic Church, and in miracles, and in the Saints, and in the Virgin Mary; Protestanism doesn’t even enter into my pride of being a (Roman) Catholic.

I feel sorry for Protestants et. al.


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