[quote="notredame_999, post:21, topic:215656"]
Brother, I know this off topic but you said the revelations at Fatima hold no obligations on the church.
That contradicts John Paul II:
"The appeal of Our Lady of Fatima is so deeply rooted in the Gospel and the whole of Tradition that the Church feels that the Message imposes a commitment on Her."
One has to take what the Holy Father is saying in its porper context. He is not making a doctrinal statement. In other words, he is not saying that one has to take the messages of Fatima as imperatives. He is saying that the central message of Fatima is so consistent with the Gospel and the Tradition that the it cannot be ignored, because to do so would be inoring the Gospel and the Christian tradition.
But one has to take a close look at the central message of Fatima. What is that?
Ans. Prayer and conversion.
It is to this central message that the Holy Father is speaking. Obviously, prayer and conversion are central to the Gospel and the Christina Tradition.
The other claims that people make that Our Lady said and we must do are not binding on the Church, because they are not part of the Gospel or the Christian Tradition. They are not wrong either. Simply put, they are not binding.
Why are they not binding?
Ans. When a message cannot be supported or refuted by Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium it falls into the realm of the extraordinary. It can be believed and may be worthy of belief, but it need not be believed to be faithful.
The Church always assumes two things in these cases:
God will never reveal anything new through miracles, because all public revelation is closed.
The person who receives the message may not always communicate it clearly or correctly. Unless the message can be reconciled with the Gospel, Tradition and Magisterium, it is not proclaimed as part of the faith.
A lot of times, messages are prophetic. Therefore, they cannot be reconciled with the faith of the Church. All that the Church can do is wait and see. The problem is that people want to take these messages and apply them to everyone as if they were dogmas. It gets worse when people confuse themselves, because it's not Our Lady confusing them, they do it to themselves, that is when people forget that in matters of faith and morals, Peter outranks Our Lady. Our Lady never assumes to govern the Church and has never tried to do so in any apparition or miracle. Human beings make these demands. "Our Lady says so; therefore, the Church must do so." That's not the way that the Catholic Church works. "Peter says so; the Church must do so." It is when Peter says that we must follow something that everyone should stand and ask, "How high should I jump?"
Br. JR, OSF :)