I’m debating over the Internet with a couple of atheists. The topics include the pro-life movement as well as gay marriageSomewhere along the line one of the Catholics debating with me declared abortion to denying a child food and letting them starve to death. This was the reply (which also goes into gay marriage):
"There’s a distinct difference [betwen abortion and denying a child food]. Immigrants aren’t physically drawing life from your body, nor are they living inside your body, because they have no right to and nor does any human being (and that’s even assuming a foetus is a person). Similar to how someone raised the argument that it’s illegal to deny an infant food or abandon him, the difference is in the deeply invasive nature of a pregnancy. If it’s unwanted, it would be like being forced to have a living human being hooked up to you with feeding tubes. Again, since the foetus is drawing something from the mother’s body that cannot be supplied by machine before the point of viability, it is drawing part of the mother from her body. It’s a much different situation from basic food, in the case of children or immigrants.
Okay, so back on the topic of gay marriage (ish): You’ve agreed that you don’t think remarriage should be illegal even though the church does not consider it valid. Therefore you don’t believe that marriage law should be based on what the church considers valid, correct?
Going from this, whether or not the church considers a marriage between two men or one between two women is completely irrelevant in terms of the law, yes?
Then we’re back to completely removing religion from the question and looking at the issue of marriage from a secular point of view - why do couples get married, and why do they receive legal benefits from doing so? Is it solely for the purpose of reproduction? Because we’ve already agreed that couples who are infertile, or intentionally sterilized, or post-menopausal, or trying their darndest to not have kids all have the right to be married. So without any reference to religion or religious concepts, what’s the difference between gay couples and these other couples who aren’t able or going to procreate that only gay couples, in your opinion, shouldn’t be allowed to marry?
Then again, even if you do want to bring religion into it, that begs the question of why your religious views should have more legal bearing than those of people whose religions support gay marriage…"
How would you rebut?