Pro-Life Feminist voting for Pro-Abortion Politician?


#21

I understand, but I can not vote for the Democrats. It’s not just the abortion issue. They are every bit as corrupted as the GOP. I am a person who has no party to vote for:
Strongly opposed to abortion (obviously),
Opposed to the death penalty,
pro-immigration ,
Pro free trade
Believe in low taxes and small government,
Believe in American exceptionalism,
Favor subsidiarity in most things,
Health Care is hopeless no matter how you look at it, so for purely selfish reasons would not be opposed to nationalized healthcare
Local control of education,
Finally, I at least want a candidate I trust.

Politics is more and more depressing. Rarely do I hear of anyone I agree with.


#22

But they clearly don’t care. At least, not enough to actually think seriously about the issue.

Consider this: If you’re right, and the abortion industry is just out for money, why is the only organization that seriously collects abortion statistics (i.e. Guttmacher) a product of that industry? They wouldn’t collect those statistics out of the goodness of their heart, right? They must instead be thinking seriously enough about the issue to want accurate data about abortion to guide their business decisions.

So if the abortion industry thinks having the data is important enough to create an organization dedicated to collecting+analyzing that data, why haven’t the pro-life groups done the same? Indeed, why have pro-life politicians tried to cut funding for groups collecting abortion statistics?

I believe the answer is that most pro-life people don’t actually care enough. They prefer the issue to be black and white, us vs them. Abortion to them is a jihad, and the struggle of good against evil does not have room for questions like “what if a crusade isn’t the right way to take back the holy land?” Admitting that abortion research is valuable is tantamount to admitting that there is something about abortion we don’t know, and pro-lifers already know everything they need to know about abortion: it’s evil.

So instead of thinking seriously about the issues, pro-lifers make up stories about human trafficking or organ harvesting to vilify the “them” as best they can, donate to whatever organization their religious leaders say to, vote for any politician that gives them lip service, while covering their ears to what effect these “best efforts” are actually having on abortion rates.


#23

I’m think someone up thread said it best. If so called “pro-life” politicians actually ended abortion they would get rid of the number one reason most of them are in office now. You don’t come across every many politicians who are looking at lose elections.


#24

Agree with most of this … except for health care … which has been purposely and deliberately corrupted by bureaucracy … to be as unworkable as possible.

Not hopeless.


#25

Yeah, I never thought I would say I wanted nationalized healthcare, but it seems to be the only thing to do at this point. ObamaCare pretty much set it in stone. I can barely afford insurance for our family. It can’t get cheaper because the voters want all if the Obamacare features, coverage of pre-existing conditions being the key one.
It’s simple, we no longer buy insurance. Insurance works only because people are paying for protection against something that hasn’t happened. Once pre-existing conditions are covered, it is nothing more than a shared payment of bills scheme, ie socialized medicine.


#26

How to create a socialist state by Saul Alinsky

There are 8 levels of control that must be obtained before you are able to create a social state. The first is the most important.

**1) Healthcare **
Control healthcare and you control the people


#27

No real argument, besides the fact the battle has already been lost, in2010. We no longer have a healthcare insurance system and the voters will not allow one to be put in place. So it will just get worse. Hopeless.


#28

Not hopeless.

Sweden BACKED AWAY from a government controlled healthcare:

click here google youtube healthcare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lxD-gikpMs

There are many ways to restructure healthcare away from government.


#29

Yeah but why not create a safety net for everyone, doesn’t Sweden still do that? What about the unfortunates of the world?


#30

There are many non-government alternatives.

This one actually is a sponsor and supporter of Catholic Answers.


#31

The Catholic Church used to provide health care.


#32

But what if someone can’t afford to join the co-op or the cooperative doesn’t cover their special medical needs?


#33

Government is not the answer.

Consider this:

click here google youtube healthcare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z168rutL2S4


#34

My mother used free clinics that were available to the poor.

She, for years, expressed her dissatisfaction with the terrible results she got.

As soon as she was able, she went back to a private doctor.

click here google youtube healthcare https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-Vqjo2S1us

There are many different alternatives for different patients.

Some joined the military and became eligible for the VA.

I have a friend who required MAJOR heart surgery and followup … all paid by Medicaid.


#35

He isnt going to win. The gop is going to have at least 51 seats and as many as 53. Plus the gop will keep control of the house.


#36

Here’s some guides regarding the importance of voting pro-life:
https://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/SINTOVOT.HTM
http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/human-life-and-dignity/abortion/on-the-prochoice-position-on-abortion.cfm


#37

These five current issues concern actions that are intrinsically evil and must never be promoted by the law. Intrinsically evil actions are those that fundamentally conflict with the moral law and can never be deliberately performed under any circumstances. It is a serious sin to deliberately endorse or promote any of these actions, and no candidate who really wants to advance the common good will support any action contrary to the non-negotiable principles involved in these issues.

1. Abortion

The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is “never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it” (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide.
The unborn child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child’s, who should not suffer death for others’ sins.
The other 4 non-negotiables are: euthanasia, EMBRYONIC stem cell research, human cloning, same-sex so-called marriage.
Here’s the Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics link:
http://www.politicalresponsibility.com/voterguide.htm


#38

But what about the part where the USCCB says Catholics are not to be single issue voters?


#39

Euthanasia, embryonic stem cell research, human cloning, same sex marriage, and abortion gets me up to five… :stuck_out_tongue:


#40

Because of O’Rourke’s socialistic, powerful centralized government ideas, I’d like to display some awesome Milton Friedman quotes that get you thinking about the bad things about socialism:

  • “A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both."
  • "Governments never learn. Only people learn.”
  • “One of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results."
  • "In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty …in recorded history, are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade. If you want to know where the masses are worse off, worst off, it’s exactly in the kinds of societies that depart from that. So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear, that there is no alternative way so far discovered of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by the free-enterprise system.”
  • That’s the way the free market system distributes the fruits of economic progress among all people. That’s the secret of the enormous improvements in the conditions of the working person over the past two
  • “The great virtue of a free market system is that it does not care what color people are; it does not care what their religion is; it only cares whether they can produce something you want to buy. It is the most effective system we have discovered to enable people who hate one another to deal with one another and help one another."
  • “Government has three primary functions. It should provide for military defense of the nation. It should enforce contracts between individuals. It should protect citizens from crimes against themselves or their property. When government-- in pursuit of good intentions tries to rearrange the economy, legislate morality, or help special interests, the cost come in inefficiency, lack of motivation, and loss of freedom. Government should be a referee, not an active player."
  • “A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it … gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.”
  • “Many people want the government to protect the consumer. A much more urgent problem is to protect the consumer from the government."
  • “Our minds tell us, and history confirms, that the great threat to freedom is the concentration of power. Government is necessary to preserve our freedom, it is an instrument through which we can exercise our freedom; yet by concentrating power in political hands, it is also a threat to freedom. Even though the men who wield this power initially be of good will and even though they be not corrupted by the power they exercise, the power will both attract and form men of a different stamp."
  • “Most of the energy of political work is devoted to correcting the effects of mismanagement of government."

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