Pro-life Students Face Possible Expulsion from Calgary University

CALGARY, AB, April 19, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The University of Calgary has notified eight of its  students that they are being charged with non-academic misconduct, with a possibility of expulsion, for having set up a pro-life display on campus earlier this month.Campus Pro-Life (CPL) Club...

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Canadian universities have a history of limiting pro-life messages.

I loved what they said:

“If an action is too terrible to look at, how then can it be tolerated?

People that claim to be pro-choice should have no problem looking what their choice actually is.

-Mike

Quite typical of the Ministry of Truth which pervades all Canadian universities.Please pray for these courageous students who are putting their futures on the line.If this isn't persecution I don't know what is.

Free speech for me but none for thee

Eight pro-life students at the University of Calgary (UofC), faced with possible expulsion for their activism, gathered this morning to deliver a simple message to their university: “Do unto us whatever you desire, punish us however you wish; but our convictions shall not change, and we shall not alter our actions based on intimidation"

“We shall not abandon the unborn child to be murdered,” they stated. “We shall not desert the single mom in crisis. We shall not allow the evil of abortion to remain unexposed. We shall not be intimidated by the threat of force. We shall not be scared by the threat of expulsion. We shall not back down from the stand we have made.”

“If they are to punish us, then we are content to let history revile them for their suppression of liberty,” they added. “If they are to punish us, then let the blood of the unborn child be upon their heads. If they are to punish us then let the pain of the suffering mom be upon their conscience.”

“So let the university do whatever action their twisted worldview sees fit, for we fear not the judgment of tyranny,” they concluded.

What if it were PETA showing pics of a slaughterhouse?

I sent this email to the interim president of the university of Calgary:

Dear sir,
You and your administration disgust me.Universities are supposed to be institutions of free speech and thought.You are persecuting and martyring these pro-life students.They have more integrity in their little fingers than your whole administration has collectively.These students are heros and you sir,are a craven coward.How can you look at yourself in the mirror?You are a bookburner nothing more nothing less.
Sincerely,
Gordon Campbell

I think the Univerity of Calgary was within its right to initiate proceedings against the students.


From the CB
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The group made headlines in November 2008 for displaying posters of aborted fetuses. It had refused university administrators’ requests to make the posters — which compared abortion to the Holocaust and the genocide in Rwanda — less visible, and also ignored a letter threatening legal action.

The group put up the display again on April 8, and was asked by campus security to turn the graphic images inward, away from passersby. The students snubbed that request and refused to leave campus, according to the university’s letter.

It is unfair to the rest of the student body to be subjected to such graphic images. It is clear that the university was ready to compromise by allowing the students to show the images in a way that would not force students passing by to see them. The students refused. I was involved in a similar display a the University of Toronto, but we displayed the images on cubicle separators that formed an enclosed space- that way other students would not be forced to view these graphic images.

There are many things that are going on in universities that infringe on freedom of speech- for example, many student governments have voted to de-fund pro-life groups. However, this case does not, in my opinion, belong to that category. Rather it is a refusal of a pro-life groups to compromise in the spirit of comity.

PS. I absolutely do think that the same standard should apply to PETA and the other groups that use "violence porn" to move people to their positions rather than civil debate.

LOL!!!

unless you really have the same name as the BC Premiere
in that case, double LOL! :smiley:

I’m just thinking out loud here, but I wonder if they’re going on with this a little too provocatively. Yes what they say is all true, but sometimes a little subtlety can go a long way. Yes, PETA does it too, but does anyone honestly know anyone who thinks that PETA should be doing it that way? They run on being provocative too, and pretty much everyone outside of the ultra-animal rights people hate them for it.

Our pro-life group also has a display, and it’s more subtle but I would say speaks a lot louder. Just some cute kids pictures, a collection of the pre-born stages figures, some logical pamphlets (technically, the pro-life group is secular, even though a large proportion of the group is Catholic ;)), and one great poster.

It’s very simple and ingenious. All it has is quotes from legal decisions. First is a quote (can’t remember, probably an American court) that says “slaves are not persons”. 2nd, a quote from a German court (3rd Reich era) saying that Jews are not people. 3rd, a quote from another court (may have been Virginia, don’t quote me on it) that said women are not people. Finally, a quote from the Canadian Supreme Court saying that the unborn are not people. Now that is a powerful witness that will make any person with a heart think twice.

There’s also another short one that reminds people that abortion is legal through all 9 months in Canada (and cites the specific court case). Logic is hard to argue with. Some of the computer printed posters (like the “abortion is legal 9 months one”) put up across campus get ripped down because people simply can’t argue against them. It’s a lot harder to brand us as crazy.

They’re being charged with trespassing?

I think we can agree there is a difference between showing dead animals and dead humans.

I think a closer parallel would be an anti-war group showing children who are casualties of the so-called war on terror. Despite agreeing with their message I’m not quite convinced that such images should be blown up to poster size and effectively shoved in people’s faces.

[quote="Soutane, post:3, topic:195383"]
Quite typical of the Ministry of Truth which pervades all Canadian universities.Please pray for these courageous students who are putting their futures on the line.If this isn't persecution I don't know what is.

Free speech for me but none for thee

Eight pro-life students at the University of Calgary (UofC), faced with possible expulsion for their activism, gathered this morning to deliver a simple message to their university: “Do unto us whatever you desire, punish us however you wish; but our convictions shall not change, and we shall not alter our actions based on intimidation"

“We shall not abandon the unborn child to be murdered,” they stated. “We shall not desert the single mom in crisis. We shall not allow the evil of abortion to remain unexposed. We shall not be intimidated by the threat of force. We shall not be scared by the threat of expulsion. We shall not back down from the stand we have made.”

“If they are to punish us, then we are content to let history revile them for their suppression of liberty,” they added. “If they are to punish us, then let the blood of the unborn child be upon their heads. If they are to punish us then let the pain of the suffering mom be upon their conscience.”

“So let the university do whatever action their twisted worldview sees fit, for we fear not the judgment of tyranny,” they concluded.

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WOW!

[quote="no_apology, post:2, topic:195383"]
Canadian universities have a history of limiting pro-life messages.

I loved what they said:

“If an action is too terrible to look at, how then can it be tolerated?

People that claim to be pro-choice should have no problem looking what their choice actually is.

-Mike

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Well said!!:thumbsup:

Why should they not show the truth? How come this offends you? This is the truth, this what abortion is. You can avert your eyes and be offended but this is the truth. If it were hidden does that not mean the truth is also hidden? Yes, now you have to confront what reality is, and the reality is a child, a baby has lost its life to choice, this is what that choice is and you should be offended, you should be sick, you should feel hurt that this is allowed to continue and what is even worse is that your money is used to fund it.

[quote="s4angel, post:14, topic:195383"]
Why should they not show the truth? How come this offends you? This is the truth, this what abortion is. You can avert your eyes and be offended but this is the truth. If it were hidden does that not mean the truth is also hidden? Yes, now you have to confront what reality is, and the reality is a child, a baby has lost its life to choice, this is what that choice is and you should be offended, you should be sick, you should feel hurt that this is allowed to continue and what is even worse is that your money is used to fund it.

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As an Iraqi, I would like nothing more than to bring giant posters of the mutilated bodies of the victims of America's invasion to a public square and confront pro-war people. However, it would be in poor taste and universities have the right to ask me to present my pictures in such a way as to not shock other.

The student group was showing aborted fetus, victims of the holocaust and other violent photographs. They should not be prevented from demonstrating their pro-life stand, but they are also not allowed to use any tools they want.

Should universities allow porn advocates to enlarge pictures of porn and display them prominently for all to see?

Do you realise that the first time people understood the grotesque horror of war was when phographs from the battlefields of Antietem,Gettysburg etc. were made public.There was a similar outcry to the one we hear about photographs of aborted babies but people got the idea that war wasn’t noble and that it was in fact a gut wrenching bloody mess.People don’t have to look they can turn their heads-I think what they really resent is the puncturing of their conceit and deceit that these are blobs of cells-they are people.,that are subjected to horrific painful violence in what should be the safest place on earth and now is the most dangerous,a mother’s womb.You sir or madam should get down on your knees and thank God that your Mother was Pro-life.
I’ve seen some pretty horrific pictures posted at York University by the resident “Zionist-haters”(read Jew Haters)with nary a peep from the Student Council nor University Administration.If seeing human beings tiny and totally helpless ones that look like they’ve been put through a blender sickens you or other sensitive souls such as myself maybe the Holy Spirit is trying to tell us something.

These students have been repeatedly persecuted ;have had their club status revoked,were charged with tresspassing until the Crown wisely dumped the charges at the last minute.Can you imagine the stress and cost financially that these kids have endured.We have the right to free speech in this country and that includes graphic displays that some may find appalling.Where are the authorities at the Gay pride marches when there is total nudity and sex acts taking place in public in front of children whose moronic parents take to such events.?THEY"RE marching in the parade too along with the mayor,police chief and most of City Council.

Free speech for me but none for thee:rolleyes:

[quote="choy, post:8, topic:195383"]
LOL!!!!!!!!!

unless you really have the same name as the BC Premiere
in that case, double LOL! :D

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I had it first.For the first half of my life I was called Glenn-"I am the lineman for the county...">Then that ersatz Gordon Campbell pops up.Thank God I don't live in B.C.The Bane of my existance since we are political polarities.Besides I am much better looking.:D

[quote="flyingfish, post:10, topic:195383"]
They're being charged with trespassing?

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No they were already charged with that and the Crown threw out the charges at the last minute.Now they're being threatened with expulsion by the Red Guards who run the University.

[quote="Soutane, post:16, topic:195383"]
Do you realise that the first time people understood the grotesque horror of war was when phographs from the battlefields of Antietem,Gettysburg etc. were made public.There was a similar outcry to the one we hear about photographs of aborted babies and they wanted the battlefield photographs banned but people got the idea that war wasn't noble and that it was in fact a gut wrenching bloody mess.People don't have to look they can turn their heads-I think what they really resent is the puncturing of their conceit and deceit that these are blobs of cells-they are people.,that are subjected to horrific painful violence in what should be the safest place on earth and now is the most dangerous,a mother's womb.You sir or madam should get down on your knees and thank God that your Mother was Pro-life.
I've seen some pretty horrific pictures posted at York University by the resident "Zionist-haters"(read Jew Haters)with nary a peep from the Student Council nor University Administration.If seeing human beings tiny and totally helpless ones that look like they've been put through a blender sickens you or other sensitive souls such as myself maybe the Holy Spirit is trying to tell us something.

These students have been repeatedly persecuted ;have had their club status revoked,were charged with tresspassing until the Crown wisely dumped the charges at the last minute.Can you imagine the stress and cost financially that these kids have endured.We have the right to free speech in this country and that includes graphic displays that some may find appalling.Where are the authorities at the Gay pride marches when there is total nudity and sex acts taking place in public in front of children whose moronic parents take to such events.?THEY"RE marching in the parade too along with the mayor,police chief and most of City Council.

Free speech for me but none for thee:rolleyes:

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[quote="csuliman, post:15, topic:195383"]
As an Iraqi, I would like nothing more than to bring giant posters of the mutilated bodies of the victims of America's invasion to a public square and confront pro-war people. However, it would be in poor taste and universities have the right to ask me to present my pictures in such a way as to not shock other.

The student group was showing aborted fetus, victims of the holocaust and other violent photographs. They should not be prevented from demonstrating their pro-life stand, but they are also not allowed to use any tools they want.

Should universities allow porn advocates to enlarge pictures of porn and display them prominently for all to see?

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and should we not show the other side of the picture? How many people were the victims of the genecidal war? What did they look like? I doubt that either one of our pictures would bring the other relief.

I say if this is the "choice" and your choice is to kill a child then I have the right to make you face it! so how is that different? I can look all day at pictures of what you did not choose but can you look one day at what "choice" is?

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