[quote=snowman10]I goto a Presbyterian college and am a good friend of our Princeton Graduate, a very intelligent man that teaches Religion. He is also a Presbyterian pastor. Well he claims that it is unclear which came first, the Roman Catholic or the Orthodox Church.
That’s a red herring. It assumes that in ancient times there were TWO churches. There weren’t – the Way, the Christian Church, and the Catholic Church were all names for the Church Christ established. The split between Orthodox and Catholic came around 1000 AD. The name “Orthodox” was coined to designate those churches which split from the main, Catholic Church
[quote=snowman10]He also said that Biblically speaking, we don’t go straight to Heaven or Hell when we die. We are just dead. And we will be awakened when/if the ressurection takes place. He says that it doesnt make alot of the sense for the soul to come back down from heaven, or up from hell, to be judged again.
We have plenty of evidence the soul lives on – what did Christ say to the Good Thief? "Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise. (Luke, 23, 43).
I used this on an SDA, and his response was, “It doesn’t mean Heaven!! Paradise is a Persian word meaning a hunting preserve!”
Now, that’s a nice dodge – because clearly Jesus means the Good Thief will be with him AFTER death. My response was, “So you interpret this verse to mean, ‘Hey, buddy! What say when the crucifyin’s over we go out to my cabin and see kin we shoot us a deer?’”
That kinda rocked him back a bit. You’re free to use it, if you want.http://forums.catholic.com/images/icons/icon10.gif
[quote=snowman10] I really don’t know if I should believe all he says or not or I should just trust the Church. My opinion is the Church came before the Bible. Any comments?
The Church did come before the bible – and although the books of the New Testament were written in the First Century (or thereabouts) it was a long time before they were recognized as being on a par with the Old Testament. By them, there was lots of Christian literature, so picking out the right ones was the final act. The canon (list of books) of the New Testament was proclaimed by Pope Damasus I around 392 AD. The books chosen were those considered most in keeping with the Church’s long oral tradition.
A protestant may say, “My church is based on the bible:” with perfect truth – someone in the 16th century or later read the Bible and came up with the specific doctrine that his church holds.
But the Catholic Church is not based on the Bible – the Bible (the New Testament) is based on the Catholic Church.