[quote="FidesSpesCarita, post:11, topic:201188"]
Conservative Clinton????? What? He was incredibly liberal from my country bumpkin stance.
I agree with this except the "neediest". THey are not the "neediest", they are (generally) just the "wantiest". I want my welfare, I want my foodstamps, I want my health care without paying for it, I want my power without paying for it, yeah I have money to buy a $10k car and put another $10k worth of sound system, rims, etc. in it, but give me all my needs for free.
I could not possibly disagree with the above stance any more strongly than I do now. I grew up in Massachusetts, and got to see the welfare state firsthand. When you know a woman who had no job, on purpose, lived in section 8 housing, on purpose, and had 6 children, on purpose, all for the sole reason of having Section 8 get her a better house, you begin to despise the system we live in.
I was born and raised Democrat and once held office in the party, as did my wife. The Democrat party ran off and left us when it embraced "gender politics" (gay rights, abortion, extreme feminism) as its only real cause. Recently, it must be admitted, the Democrat party added giving public money to its supporters in greater measure than the most profligate Republicans ever dared to imagine doing or than Clinton did in his wildest fantasies.
By "neediest", I mean those who really are in need and can't help themselves, no matter what. Those on SSI, those in nursing homes. The seriously developmentally disabled. This government has nothing for them that the Repubs weren't already doing. In fact, with the reduction in Medicare, (though not all Medicare recipients are truly "needy") this government is even reversing some benefits to at least some in need. That's why I say the Democrat liberal leaders are more "right wing" than the right wing when it comes to the truly needy.
With Hillary Clinton, the progressives would have had a more leftish (and flint-hard) Clinton. But they rejected her in favor of a shiny hood ornament. With Pelosi, Reid and company, they elected a slot machine that comes up cherries for them and their supporters every time they pull the lever. That's why I say the true progressives have themselves to blame for any disappointments they are having now. Elections, as they have informed the rest of us, have consequences.