[quote=LukeQ]Scylla - these unapproved and condemmned aparitions not only cause damage and division inside the church but really make us as the Catholic Church look like a bunch of superstitious heretical fruitloops to those outside the church who are attracted to the appeal of such a view.
Personally, I agree-- that could be the perception. Most people aren’t going to know that they aren’t sanctioned, certainly not non-Catholics.
Rob from NY - wow - this is something that may be a good question of "Ask an Apologist"
I would be inclinded to ask him questions rather than make statements to determine his position. An opening one may be:
I don’t think I’ll ‘Ask an Apologist,’ but I’ll keep it in the back of my mind.
“Father, what are your views on the Bishop of Mostar’s two investigations and the Boznia Hertz Bishops conference where there was a vote 34 Bishops to 1 (and 1 obstaining), against anything supernatural occuring?”
Unanimous, would probably be the best word. Or, strike that, unopposed.
He may not be aware of the church’s position on Medj and this is a gentle way of letting him know this and that you know a thing or two about the church mechanics of approval unaproval.
Personally, I would expect that he doesn’t know. He’s a very kind man, and I’m sure he wouldn’t have done so obstinately.
Above all, remain calm because staunch advocates of Medj and other apps are generally of the view that YOU must believe and if you don’t, you are not little/pure/too proud etc etc etc. This is generally a stronghold of the mind that keeps the person chained up in a false belief by restricting their interlect. Attack Medj and you attack them. Remember - JP2 talked about Faith and Reason. Discernment is about engaging both heart and head through God’s Grace. Studying the facts in the context of Cannon Law, an atheist lawyer would be able to argue a judgement of dissobience by Priests and Bishops leading pilgrimages and offering Mass at Medj. The level and power of the local bishop’s authority sanctioned by The Church is very clear in these cases.
Indeed. Just a note, he took a personal trip, there was no official pilgrimage. And, while being a priest, he did not mention offering Mass at Medj. (which has been sanctioned, I believe).
Is there anything wrong with a personal trip? And should I point out, kindly, that he is deluding himself if he thinks there is a supernatural occurence at Medj. (which the bishops denied)?