[quote=Wormwood]Ok now that I have your attention
Can someone please explain the catholic take (or any take) on genesis 4: 23-24? This is the last statement about the line of cain and it seems to suggest that murder is ok for that line. Does this also suggest that “eye for an eye” does not extend to the death penalty for murder? I was just curious what this is all about, and what became of the line of cain? They were still obviously protected by God after many murders.
The title to the thread reminds me of an article I saw in the college paper, called, “Sex in the Dorms,” followed by a half page of Latin text taken out of Caesar’s Gallic Wars.
First, here are the verses…
**23 ****Lamech said to his wives: "Adah and Zillah, hear my voice; wives of Lamech, listen to my utterance: I have killed a man for wounding me, a boy for bruising me. ****24 **If Cain is avenged sevenfold, then Lamech seventy-sevenfold." Genesis 4:23-24.
It is important to “become an ancient” in understanding these verses. “Adah” and “Zillah” are probably not real people. “Adah” means “advancing,” and “Zillah” means “shading” – as in “advancing” or “dawning” day, and “shading,” or “dusk.” Lamech’s wives’ names are therefore probably intended to be apprehended as “Dawn” and “Dusk” – “Light” and “Dark,” “Blonde” and “Brunette.” Lamech married to Adah and Zillah is Archie married to Betty and Veronica.
Gaster, in Myth, Legend and Cusom in the Old Testament, suggests that Lamech shouts his boast to “blonde” and “brunette” because what is intended is something like “all and sundry” or “friends, Romans, countryman!” He’s saying, “Everyone! Listen to me!” The inspired author of Genesis turned an “Everyone! Listen to me!” line into two girls’ names.
When Lamech boasts of his kill, he is functionally beating his hairy chest and saying, “Woo! I sure kicked HIS tail!” It’s a war cry, a boast.
The Footnotes of the Old Testament Committee of the NAB suggest that at the plaintext level, the Final Redactor – the R source, or the guy (or girl?) who pulled this version of Genesis together – was suggesting that mankind was deteriorating. Mankind not only wants God’s kind of vengeance, but his own especially-vicious vengeance, too.
The question is, What is being portrayed at the sensus plenior level? In other words, Why is this verse HERE?
Well, note the reference to Cain. After Cain kills the Christ-picture shepherd, Cain ends up enjoying God’s special protection! … **15 ****Not so!" the LORD said to him. “If anyone kills Cain, Cain shall be avenged sevenfold.” So the LORD put a mark on Cain, lest anyone should kill him at sight. Genesis 4:15. **… Lamech is saying, “Sheesh! God strikes back sevenfold at those who try to kill Cain. Heck, I got to kill someone for bruising me! I, Lamech, get seventy-seven fold vengeance!”
Now note who Lamech is married to – “two” women, Dawn and Dusk. The Woman Type = “mankind in need of salvation.” The Two Type = “Church.” Their names, Dawn and Dusk, suggest that these symbolize Christians in trhe Church. Dusk is when Christ died. Resurrection is when He rose. We see this use of Dusk and Dawn elsewhere in the Bible to refer to Christ – for example, Exodus 16:13-14: God feeds the people with quail in the evening, and manna in the morning. Food made of “Christ”!
So, we have a typological word picture here telling us that, just as the killing of Christ generated “protection,” those in the Church will enjoy that same protection in spades!