Hi edwinG, everybody,
Here’s a brief background to the thread. edwinG is a Protestant Christian, who has objections to Marian devotion, praying to the Saints, the authority of the Church, etc. Discussion on these matters did not suit the previous thread (“Praises to the Holy Spirit!!! Please tell your story!”, and before this, “Power of the Rosary—is this True?”), so a new thread was created here for that purpose. The quotes are from the previous thread on the Holy Spirit.
[quote=edwinG]The way I have understood the principle of Roman Catholics using intercessors, like the saints who have died to earth, is because of their powerfull intercessory prayers, which are needed because sometimes God turns His face away. Scripture supporting this is often praying to Moses when bitten by snakes.
If this is so, I ask you, who now have the strength of Christ and the Holy Spirit, why are you in a situation that God has turned His face away from you. Just give up that which is having Him turn his face away. Are you a dry catholic too? If you feel closer to Christ with Mary as your intercessor something is not right. Before Chirst died He told us to go and pray to the Father in His name. To start doing that now. Why do you disobey Christ? The curtain was torn to give you direct access. Can you imagine what you are doing? God, Yes God, sent His only begotton Son, to make a way for you to go directly to Him and you turn your back on this blessing and go to Mary or some person who is judged by men to be a saint. What are you doing? No wonder so many are dry.
…Christ is your intercessor in Heaven and the Holy Spirit is your intercessor on earth. You are saying they are not sufficient. You are saying God is insufficient, that you need to go to man to help God
Again, this shows the differences between the Protestant and Catholic understanding of sin, holiness, and salvation.
Often the Protestant understanding is that once you are saved, you are always saved, and that means that you have the infinite holiness of Christ in the eye of the Father.
The Catholic understanding is that holiness is a journey which takes a lifetime. It is inevitable that we fall from time to time and so, as St. Paul tells us, we “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling”
Let us study Luke 18:10-13:
"10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself,
God, I thank thee that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I get.' 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying,God, be merciful to me a sinner!’”
The Pharisee failed to see himself as a sinner, because of pride. He compared himself to man, and celebrated his righteousness, while forgetting that, in relation to an infinitely holy God, he was a sinner also. Therefore, admitting one’s sinfulness is a sign of humility - of looking realistically at oneself.