Protestant said praying to Mary isn’t in the bible


#147

I will let him know right now thanks for all your help everyone x


#148

He might then retort that the Holy Spirit is his interpreter and denominations, though it would depend on his background.


#149

Poor Protestants. If they could only fully grasp just who it is they’re rejecting here. As someone once said, “a christian without the Virgin is an orphan!!!


#150

This struck a cord with me :sob:


#151

This is his new reply

I was a atheist I never believed in God then I started to follow RC doctrine because I didn’t know scripture yet then I started noticing what RC church beliefs doesn’t add up with Gods word

Sweetness I’ll say this GODS WORD is the authority

The Torah was the Jews and that was the divine word of God then when Jesus came the New Testament was added and you said you believe in Jesus so we could agree the Old Testament and new are the Devine word of God

In the beginning the word was with God and was God ,

Anything out of the bible is made of Mans assumption

I think you would have a hard time proving Gods word is outside of Scripture

Jesus when talking of history only referred to the Old Testament no other sources and all Old Testament events were accurate No other nation had Gods word the canaanites or the Babylon’s

I would still say if it’s not Gods word as in which Jesus claimed the Torah to be why believe any other doctrine right?

To do what you just said why not believe Mormons when they say you will become God because Jospeh smith said it in the 1800’s or not Believe Islam that Muhammad was actually speaking Gods word?

I understand your views but the more I focussed on the bible and forgot everything else I just couldn’t agree with the Bible and what’s preached in the RC church because I never found they were adding up


#152

Actually it’s quite easy to prove that "Gods word is outside of Scripture ". Scripture itself says so. It says God’s Word is not only the written word. It is quite explicit.

If he’s referring to the name Yeshua and is criticizing Christmas and Easter - then it’s starting to sound like you’ve run into a Sacred Name sect member. SN is a cult and an offshoot of Messianic Judaism, which in itself is a sect of Protestantism. We all acknowledge our faith’s Jewish roots but they also try to frame bits and pieces of Christianity with fundamental Judaism. Because they do not believe in the same Christ that we Christians do, I don’t consider them Christians and I believe that Paul was speaking to these people when he wrote his strongly worded letter to the Galatians, especially Gal 5:1-4.

There’s a topic on this here:


#153

So his beliefs are man’s assumption? Why bother to believe in what he says is true then because it’s all man’s assumption?

Simple. We have a Church established by God to deal with that, which, as Scripture itself says, is the pillar of truth.

I don’t think he does.

Like what? The Rosary that he doesn’t seem to understand?


#154

I love being able to logically compare Old to New, and exactly why Jesus came to us. My 14 year old grandson often makes derogatory comments about Christians (he is searching for answers, I am praying he finds his way), ie: Christians who claim stoning a gay person is in the Old Testament. First of all, I tell him “how can they claim to be Christian if they are not following Jesus’s example?” They are fringe Christians who have lost their way! I tell him Jesus came to expand on the Old Testament and to show us the new way. Thank you for posting this video, very insightful.


#155

Not so, is the Word of God true ? yes John 17:17 Sanctify them in the truth; thy word is truth.

yes, i wish we all could be united to Christ but no one could be as close and united like the Mother of God here the verse quoted was about Mary united in spirited with Jesus one in mind and spirit Mother Mary being the Mother of God, know him more than any human can ever know who suffered and accepted the will of god and offered up everything united with Christ to the Father 1 Corinthians 2:16 “For who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?” But we have the mind of Christ. here Mary was one with the mind with Christ

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and for ever.

John 9:31 says we know that God does not listen to sinners, but he does listen to one who worships him and obeys his will. Which Mother did, co-operated by doing His Will in Luke 1:38. Lk 1:28, 30 – angel: “full of grace, found favor with God Lk 1:42 – Elizabeth: “most blessed among women” Lk 1:48 – Mary: “all generations will call me blessed” Mother of God Lk 1:43 – Elizabeth calls her “mother of my Lord” = God.

Isaiah 7:14 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel.


#156

Does anyone know what oath the pope takes? He’s now telling lies about the pope calling him the Antichrist he sad this is the oath the pope takes I want to correct him does anyone know the real oath that the pope takes he also called the pope the “dope of Rome” I must have deleted the picture as I can’t find it but it was some sort of jesuit oath I can’t really remember it but it was a vow to kill people who disagree


#157

Its the Word of God not assumptions Psalm 118 was quoted as everything in the life of the Mother of God is marvelous Revelation11: 19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant =(The Ark of the covenant Mother Mary) was seen within his temple; and there were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail.

The Woman (Mother Mary) and the Dragon = satan

Revelation 12:1-2 A great portent appeared in heaven: a woman (Mother Mary) clothed with the sun (Glory Wisdom 7:26 For she (Mother Mary) is a reflection of eternal light=Jesus John 8:12 Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness but will have the light of life.”, a spotless mirror of the working of God, and an image of his goodness.), with the moon under her feet (Power given to Her in the Church By Jesus on the Cross the last Treasure and the most important before his death only then he could finishes the will of God ), and on her head a crown of twelve stars (12 Apostles and the 12 Tribes of Israel) (Queen of Heaven also Co -redeemer). 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pangs, in the agony of giving birth.

Revelation 21:27 But nothing unclean will enter Heaven, nor anyone who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life. But when Jesus is born she had to be without Original Sin a pure vessel to contain Jesus in the womb… Lord Jesus (GOD) had to be born in a women who is sinless. Song of Solomon 4:12 A garden locked is my sister, my bride, a garden locked, a fountain sealed. Song of Solomon 6:9 My dove(Mary), my perfect one, is only one, the darling of her mother, flawless (sinless) to her that bore her. The maidens saw her and called her happy; the queens and concubines also, and they praised her. Song of Solomon 6:4 You (Mary) are beautiful as Tirzah, my love, comely as Jerusalem, terrible as an army with banners. Song of Solomon 6:10 “Who is this (Mary)that looks forth like the dawn, fair as the moon, bright as the sun, terrible as an army with banners?” Said by the Angles who were all in Awe of Mary a when they seen her in the Empyrean Heaven and acclaimed so


#158

Complete fabrication. See this topic:


#159

The Jesuit kill oath, if I remember correctly, is some lie from a Jack Chick track, so, completely bogus. If he retorts that it came from a Jesuit priest, the Jesuits have no record of him ever being ordained.

As for the Papal oath:
http://www.ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur397.htm

“This alleged Papal Coronation oath has been used by several such groups as “proof” that the Church has abandoned the true faith… A Wikipedia article on this topic points out, “The only historical source claimed for this ‘Papal Oath’ is Migne’s Patrologia Latina , referring, it can be supposed, to volume 105, columns 40-44. Patrologia Latina , 105, columns 9-188 reproduces, with notes and commentary, the full text of Garnier’s 1680 edition of the Liber Diurnus Romanorum Pontificum . The article in The Catholic Encyclopedia on this book states that Garnier’s edition ‘is very inaccurate, and contains arbitrary alterations of the text’; it describes as the first good edition the one published by Eugène de Rozière in 1869. Later editions have been able to take into account not only the oldest surviving manuscript, which is preserved in the Vatican but also two other manuscripts of slightly later date, which were rediscovered, one in 1889, the other in 1937. The Liber Diurnus Romanorum Pontificum is in fact a ‘miscellaneous collection of ecclesiastical formularies used in the papal chancery until the 11th century.’ It then fell into disuse and was soon forgotten and lost, until a manuscript containing it was discovered in the 17th century. Its rediscovery in the 17th century caused surprise precisely because the text declared acceptance of the condemnations of the Sixth General Council, which were directed also against Pope Honorius I. In the opinion of one writer, the oath had the effect of confirming that an ecumenical council could condemn a Pope for open heresy and that Honorius was justly condemned.””

I’m not going to post the text for the full oath, as it’s mentioned in the article I linked.


#160

Jeremiah 3:15 “‘And I will give you shepherds (Popes) after my own heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.

The Catholic Church follows and GUIDED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT and JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF THROUGH HIS TRUE CHURCH AND THE POPE who stands in the person of Christ. Matthew 16:16-18 And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. A solid promise of Jesus. Psalm 12:6 The promises of the Lord are promises that are pure, silver refined in a furnace on the ground, purified seven times.

Catholic Church states traditions as the orally “by the apostles who handed on, by the spoken word of their preaching, by the example they gave, by the institutions they established, what they themselves had received - whether from the lips of Christ, from his way of life and his works, or whether they had learned it at the prompting of the Holy Spirit”; 2 Thessalonians 2:15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by our letter.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s1c2a2.htm
ARTICLE 2
THE TRANSMISSION OF DIVINE REVELATION

74 God “desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth”:29 that is, of Christ Jesus.30 Christ must be proclaimed to all nations and individuals, so that this revelation may reach to the ends of the earth:

God graciously arranged that the things he had once revealed for the salvation of all peoples should remain in their entirety, throughout the ages, and be transmitted to all generations.31
I. THE APOSTOLIC TRADITION

75 "Christ the Lord, in whom the entire Revelation of the most high God is summed up, commanded the apostles to preach the Gospel, which had been promised beforehand by the prophets, and which he fulfilled in his own person and promulgated with his own lips. In preaching the Gospel, they were to communicate the gifts of God to all men. This Gospel was to be the source of all saving truth and moral discipline."32

In the apostolic preaching. . .

76 In keeping with the Lord’s command, the Gospel was handed on in two ways:

orally “by the apostles who handed on, by the spoken word of their preaching, by the example they gave, by the institutions they established, what they themselves had received - whether from the lips of Christ, from his way of life and his works, or whether they had learned it at the prompting of the Holy Spirit”;33

in writing “by those apostles and other men associated with the apostles who, under the inspiration of the same Holy Spirit, committed the message of salvation to writing”.34

. . . continued in apostolic succession


#161

That’s something that sounds like it would come from Chick. His “Jesuit” reference Alberto Rivera was proven to be a con man.


#162

Indeed. This person she’s talking with loves her so much that he cites lies from known and baseless anti-Catholic propaganda and calls one of the most respected figures in her faith (the Pope) a “dope” out of Christian charity. Some stuff!


#163

Ask him to prove what should and shouldn’t be in the Bible and then ask him where it says in the Bible that everything we need to know is in the Bible.

Finally ask him how the early Christians could know they had things right when they didn’t have a Bible. Afterall, they only had the successors of the Apostles and a few letters.


#164

The Jesuit oath is a lot of nonsense that claims Jesuits take this oath below:-

do further promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women, and crush their infants’ heads against the walls in order to annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord, the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honour, rank, dignity or authority of the persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of Jesus. In confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive I will subscribe my name written in my blood in testimony thereof; and should I prove false, or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet and my throat from ear to ear, my belly be opened and sulphur burned therein with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth, and my soul shall be tortured by demons in eternal hell forever.

It’s worth mentioning that it first appears as a claim at a time of heightened sectarian tension in England and the bloke who claimed it was real was later prosecuted as a forger.


#165

It was truly Mary’s Free will to accept or reject god’s will,and she said yes Lk 1:38 .what do you mean? by according to Tradition only choosing to protect Mary’s freewill from concupiscence.?


#166

This is his new reply he’s smarter than the others

I would agree Gods word is outside of scripture if your implying the universe and all he has created then being as paper is wood then Gods word is written on the very thing he spoke into existence but if your implying Gods word is outside in the sense of other faiths or beliefs that they hold Gods word and his “Truth” then I would disagree

No my argument corresponds with scripture don’t take my word for it take God’s but it’s man’s assumption to say something is of God when there’s no support to verify it through the word of God again why would you simply believe something that is not told of by or God telling us through any prophets?

I don’t know where Easter and Christmas ties into this…

Well not Jesus or any prophets spoke of the Rosary of even implied such a thing neither is the prayers in-sighting the rosary “But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking” Matthew 6:7

that’s my thought on scripted prayers by the rosary

some pagan beliefs has their own version of the rosary , Islam , Hinduism , Buddhism etc.

why is the Popes called “Holy Farther”?
Jesus made it clear to call no man Farther nor teacher for he alone is the head of the Church the only answer I’ve had from a RC is in Genisis 45:8 “So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God: and he hath made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt”

but the problem is that this was used an expression as to say God has given Jospeh authority over Egypt and he wrote and referred to himself as Farther but in Matthew 23:9 when Jesus said call no man Farther he was talking in the spiritual sense not in material sense as your biological Dad or when God said to Abraham “I will make you the Farther of many nations “ there’s a difference between the materialistic sense and spiritual in which God was claiming he is the head of the church Not man then the Pope receives a title Holy Farther? to finish up on Matthew 23 (this is Jesus talking to the Jewish leaders of the temple but I think it corresponds to what Jesus is implying to anyone)

“ Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.

13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in”

How do you know it’s established by God if you’ve basically told me you have no problem receiving insight to Gods will through other sources then the bible?

but I would love to hear about how purgatory is biblical and if it is then Jesus is a liar because he said he died for all our sins and purgatory implies you still have to pay for some

Would love your thoughts on such
I genuinely am curious to why you believe what you do


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