Protestant said praying to Mary isn’t in the bible


#242

Praying to saints for their help is scriptural:

Have a read of this:

https://www.catholic.com/tract/praying-to-the-saints

The Book of Revelation states: ‘And bowls of incense were brought to God, WHICH ARE THE PRAYERS OF THE SAINTS.’

Our Lady’s prayers for us, are they more effacious than other saints? According to scripture she is even higher than the 12 apostles as a saint, ‘And Behold, I saw a woman, clothed with the sun and with the moon under her feet, and on her head, a Crown of Twelve stars.’

Jesus and the saints:
In scripture Moses and Elijah appear, and speak with Jesus, to help prepare him for His Passion.

In the Garden of Gethsemane: ‘And an angel appeared and strengthened Him.’

If Jesus accepted the help of the angels and saints, how much more should we??!


#243

There are plenty of companion books and Catholic Study Bibles out there for people who want to study on their own or have to study on their own. It’s possible to do so, though it’s not ideal. Luther didn’t study alone, and he started the whole Protestant mess.


#244

yes, they had beads, they were found in the graves of Christians dated as early as the 3rd century… Unless you don’t consider that ‘early’. The Desert Fathers of the 3rd to 5th centuries, used pebbles or knotted ropes to count prayers, typically the [Jesus Prayer “Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner”). The use of knots or beads with which to pray isn’t prohibited in the Bible. So it is OK for Christians to develop a prayer life using beads as aids.

So you object to praying with scripture and you object to meditating on the life of Christ. Doesn’t sound like you know what a Christian prayer life should look like.

your understanding of this scripture is incorrect.

https://www.catholic.com/tract/call-no-man-father


#245

How does that phrase show she’s above all others except G-d?

I know you pray to Mary to intercede because she’s the Mother of G-d, in the eyes of Christians.


#246

Agreed. I never said it was.

Jesus never said to simply smile and tolerate lies. Anger towards evil is not sinful. Turning the other cheek refers to forgiveness, not apathy towards what’s wrong.

You call what he said “negativity”?


#247

I think you’re missing (or not understanding) the point. Of course we can read the bible alone, we don’t need some “guru” with us to do so. But we are in no position to interpret its meaning alone. Scripture clearly tells us that. We need an authority to understand God’s Word as it was meant to be. Without such an authority… you get 40,000 Protestant denominations who all interpreted it their own way.


#248

‘’How does that phrase show she’s above all others except G-d?

I know you pray to Mary to intercede because she’s the Mother of G-d, in the eyes of Christians.‘’
Above quote by Constant’Learner

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Name another saint mentioned in scripture as ‘clothed with the sun and with the moon under their feet, and who has the 12 apostles as stars in their crown?’

Not even Elijah, who was taken up to heaven in a chariot of fire, is mentioned as having such esteem in Heaven,

Anyways don’t argue with catholics, go and research catholic teaching, and why catholics believe what they believe, and then come back here and mention what you disagree with.


#249

I’m Jewish. The saints have no relevance for me. I was only responding to the original post that no where in the bible is it commended to pray to Mary. For a Catholic, it’s a choice.

And, to whoever said “rabbi” was a Jewish word, it comes from the Semitic languages, true, and it means one schooled in Jewish law or one who is qualified in the Jewish faith to act as a teacher.


#250

We catholics believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah.

This is the first question you need to discuss here.

If you believe Jesus Christ to be the Messiah. And the catholic church to be the church He founded, guided
By the Holy Spirit, then these are matters of faith that you would accept.

So forgetting all other questions, as a Jewish person your debate is: ‘Is Jesus Christ the Son of God, the Messiah, prophecied by Isaiah and the psalms.’
Because ALL the prophecies of Isaiah and the Psalm were fulfilled by Jesus life.

This is your true root of disagreement.


#251

The topic is: Is praying to Mary in the bible?

No, it’s not in the bible, but it’s part of Catholic tradition to ask her to intercede.

As an observant Jew, that’s really all I have to say.


#252

source?

The pope owns the clothes he wears and a few personal items like books and such. He owns no real estate, bank accounts or any other liquid wealth.

A chief steward is a servant. As chief steward, the pope is responsible for all church assets but actually that is really managed by the Bishops. Each Bishop manages their diocese assets.

so servants can be responsible for managing the wealth of the kingdom, just like it says in the Old Testament.

well we agree! Jesus is the head of my church too. Of course he appointed Peter to represent him here on earth. That’s in the Bible. And my church existed long before the secular rules made it legal to be Christian.

well of course! an acorn doesn’t look the same as an oak tree but they are the same plant.

From the beginning the church was liturgical and hierarchical. You can see that in ACTS. And we have early church writings that also show what the church was like.

But I’m still waiting for you to tell me how you know what is and what isn’t sacred scripture.


#253

Over 300 prophecies of the Old Testament were fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

Jewish friend, research this. The MESSIAH has already come, this is your true root of disagreement with the catholic faith.

http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/biblestudyandtheology/jesus_prophecy_fulfilled.aspx


#254
  1. The Messiah Will Be Born In Bethlehem

Micah 5:2 – “But you, O Bethlehem Ephrathah, are only a small village in Judah. Yet a ruler of Israel will come from you, one whose origins are from the distant past.”


#255
  1. The Messiah Will Be Born Of A Virgin

Isaiah 7:14 – “All right then, the Lord Himself will choose the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call Him Immanuel – ‘God is with us.’”

Isaiah 9:6-7 – “For a child is born to us, a son is given to us. And the government will rest on His shoulders. These will be His royal titles: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. His ever expanding, peaceful government will never end. He will rule forever with fairness and justice from the throne of His ancestor David. The passionate commitment of the Lord Almighty will guarantee this!”


#256

You read your own meaning into the Hebrew Bible (we never call it the OT).

I don’t try to change your faith and I would appreciate the same courtesy from you.

When the messiah comes, he will fulfill all the prophecies - in one go. All of the major Hebrew prophets agree on that.


#257
  1. The Messiah Will Be A Prophet Like Moses

Deuteronomy 18:15 – “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites, and you must listen to that prophet.”


#258
  1. The Messiah Will Be Tempted By Satan

Psalm 91:10-12 – “No evil will conquer you; no plague will come near your dwelling. For He orders His angels to protect you wherever you go. They will hold you with their hands to keep you from striking your foot on a stone.”


#259

He has fulfilled all 300
Prophecies, research it Jewish friend.


#260

So Jesus has fulfilled all 300 prophecies about Him, but is not the Messiah?

That is your point of view Jewish friend.

Please provide quotes from your scriptures to back up your point of view, for listeners here are all backing up their opinions with scripture quotes.


#261

Has the lion laid down with the lamb? No.

Is there peace on earth? No.

Is he reigning over the earth like a king? No.

I could go on and on, but you need to reread Isaiah, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel They are the same in your bible as mine, except mine is in Hebrew.


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