[quote="Epistemes, post:10, topic:180326"]
I'm not disagreeing with you, but I do think it is an elitist thing to say that our Protestant brothers and sisters are missing the fullness of the faith when so many Catholics who have the Eucharist are missing the picture to their detriment, moreso than any ignorant Protestant.
I sincerely hope it's not elitist... if so, I'm sorry :(
I don't mean it that way. I know there are Catholics who have the Eucharist but don't care about it. But they still have access to the fullness of truth... even if they're not seeing it. Protestants have been cut away from it not because of anything they have done, not because of lack of effort or love or faith, but because of events that happened 500 years ago. It's not their fault at all.. that's why they can still be great Christians and can make it to Heaven (and I'm sure there are Protestants who would have more reward in Heaven than me..in a way, and God does judge us more - cause of all we've been given.) but it just makes me sad thinking how some people are even taught to reject the Church.. they are going from church to church, trying to find the truth, often sincerely..
What's worse than loving Jesus and not having the Eucharist, how about having the Eucharist and still living like lukewarm Protestants...or worse, like residual existentialists?
for an individual's salvation, it's worse to have the Eucharist yet still be lukewarm, I believe. (so may the Lord have mercy on me a sinner :()
but imagine if all the devout Protestants discovered the Eucharist! :) then they'd grow even more and maybe some will be Saints.
Everyone's so sad that our Protestant brothers and sisters won't come home and can't participate in "the fullness of the faith" when we ourselves don't even know what we have. Again, 1/5 of Catholics in the United States believe in reincarnation, and many cooky things besides. This "sadness" is horribly misdirected, in my opinion.
I feel sad about the Catholics too... like whenever I meet a fallen away or lukewarm Catholic.
[quote="Lief_Erikson, post:11, topic:180326"]
I agree with you that there is very good reason to be sad about Catholics who don't live their faith. They are definitely worse off than Protestants who do live their faith. Most of the Protestants who are serious about their faith are probably on their way to Heaven. As Vatican II said, they have sufficient grace for salvation. And the Catholics that have fallen away from the spiritual life are indeed in a very bad situation and won't see Heaven unless they change.
I don't think people's grief for the divisions in Protestantism is misdirected. It's legitimate. So is grief for fallen Catholics, for as you very rightly point out, they are often worse off.
The world is full of sin. One can feel sorry for the sins of many people's heresy while also being sorry for the sins of fallen Catholics. One should in fact, for this is unity with the spirit of Christ, which is grieved by all sin.
[quote="po18guy, post:12, topic:180326"]
You are so right. If only they knew...
Father Mitch Pacwa recently commented on how the reformers were celebrating having liberated themselves from the oppressive, tyrannical Church. Well the reformers theology was much closer to Catholic than what we see today. The disturbing trend is that almost all of 'protestantism' has deviated so drastically from what the reformers believed. The fruits of sola scriptura, I'm sad to say.