Vladimir Putin escalated his confrontation with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan over the downing of a Russian bomber, saying relations are beyond repair while declaring Syria a no-fly zone for Turkish military aircraft.
It was reported in non-Western outlets, yesterday.
Needless to say, out of his over 3 hour press conference, the Western MSM only reported o the fact that Putin did have military specialists in Ukraine and that he had praised Trump. The only snippets of information they collected, in over 3 hours. :rolleyes:
The BBC seemed to focus more on Putin saying the Turks are licking Americans in certain places (and yes he really did say that) and dubbing him over with a very silly voice which blocked the original Russian. I had to find a Russian source and ask the missus did he really say that in Russian, It’s out of character for him but illustrates just how irked people in Russia are getting with Turkey. I assure you if a Turkish plane does enter Syrian airspace and the possibility of it been shot down is there they will at this point shoot it down. Turkey is about as popular as cancer in a lot of Russia right now.
Turkey is establishing a base in Qatar, have reestablished ties with Israel, Israel raided a Palestinian camp in 2010 and killed 10 Turks, so there has been a thaw over this action, arguably worse than downing a fighter jet.
All depends on who’s news source you want to believe. Nov 26 the Times of Israel said it was very unlikely that Russia would deploy the S-400 in Syria. They reportedly have deployed them and according to some sources like Bloomberg-IBTimes. it’s grounded US aircraft in Northern Syria. But we shall see.
UN Endorses Peace Process for Syria, but No Mention of Assad
UNITED NATIONS – U.N. Security Council members approved a resolution Friday outlining a peace process for Syria involving talks by representatives of the Damascus government and the opposition, but the draft says nothing on the critical issue of what role President Bashar Assad will play.
The resolution acknowledges that the peace process will not end the conflict because it bars “terrorist groups” operating in the country, including the Islamic State and al-Nusra Front, from participating in a cease-fire.
Foreign ministers from 17 countries met on and off for more than five hours to overcome divisions on the text.
The resolution has been described as a rare gesture of unity on the Syria peace process by a council often deeply divided on the crisis.
The draft resolution, obtained by The Associated Press, requests that U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon convene representatives of the Syrian government and opposition “to engage in formal negotiations on a political transition process on an urgent basis, with a target of early January 2016 for the initiation of talks.”
First off, I am not sure if “Nato” per se is in Syria.
UN declared full war on ISIS, that sounds like it is lawful as well.
UN in this case, may have some say whereas if some say “Who did Assad invite” and I haven’t heard Assad make a big deal about US Coalition airstrikes but stirrings here and there since we have not attacked the Syrian Government Troops.
Turkey could cause Russia a lot of pain even if it doesn’t fly over Syria. Maybe a year ago or so, Turkey said it would intervene in Syria with troops if the U.S. would establish a “no fly zone” there.
If Russia has now established its own “no fly zone” vis a vis Turkey, then Turkey is no more likely to send in major units, particularly armor, now than it was back then. But it can do a lot to disrupt Russia’s strategy there. At some point, Russia or some ally of Russia is going to have to dedicate serious ground forces to the war. Failing that, Russia’s effort is not going to be much more effective than Obama’s, with the exception that Putin won’t be worrying about “rules of engagement”. Is Turkey above giving ground-to-air missiles to ISIS or other rebel groups? One seriously doubts it.
Actually you posted a chart the other day showing the rate of civilian death attributed to the coalition and Russian forces as been roughly the same. As I recall it showed 251 death estimated to be caused by coalition forces and 263 by Russian forces.
Internal disaster could strike Turkey very easily, so they may not take Russia’s challenge. Tensions with the Kurds are starting back up, the big cities have alot of militant leftists, radical Islam is on the rise, and there have always been a good number of secular nationalists.
Turkey’s horse in Syria may well be some group called something like Al Sham, ISIS massacred Turkmen so Turkey may well not fancy ISIS but Al Sham may be working allies with Al Nusra who are certainly no good guys. I even saw something that most ISIS oil is sold to the regime but who knows, we can’t and that is probably the US agencies speaking.