Question on Hebrews 6/loss of slavation

I was hoping for the catholic understanding of these passages.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 if they fall away,** to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
Hebrews 6 4-6


The passage is talking about Apostacy.

Haydock’s Catholic Bible Commentary says this of these verses:

Many understand these words, it is impossible, &c. of the sacrament of penance, or of returning to God by a profitable repentance, especially after such heinous sins as an apostacy from the true faith. But then we must take the word impossible, to imply no more than a thing that is very hard to be done, or that seldom happens, as when it is said, (Matthew xix. 26.) that it is impossible for rich men to be saved: and (Luke xvii. 1.) it is impossible that scandals should not come. For it is certain that it is never impossible for the greatest sinners to repent by the assistance which God offers them, who has also left the power to his ministers to forgive in his name the greatest sins. But others (whose interpretation seems preferable) expound this of baptism, which can only be given once. The words here in the text very much favour this exposition, when it is said, who were once enlightened. For baptism in the first ages was called the sacrament of illumination. See St. Denis de cælesti Hierar. chap. iv.; St. Gregory of Nazianzus; &c. The following words also agree with baptism, when they are said to have been made partakers of the Holy Ghost; to have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come; all which signify the interior graces, the miraculous gifts, and power of working miracles, which they who were baptized frequently received in those days. — They cannot be renewed again unto penance. That is, they cannot be renewed again by baptism, which is also called a renovation. (Titus iii. 5.) Their sins may indeed be forgiven them in the sacrament of penance, but this is not a renovation like that in baptism, in which both the guilt, and all pain due to past sins, is remitted; whereas in the sacrament of penance, though the guilt, and the eternal punishments due to sins be remitted, yet many times, temporal punishments, to be undergone either in this world or the next, still remain due to such as have been great sinners, to them who by relapsing into the same sins, have crucified again to themselves the Son of God, making a mockery of him; i.e. who, insensible of the favours received, have ungratefully renewed sin; to take away which Christ suffered, was mocked, crucified, &c. (Witham) — Macknight observes that Beza, without any authority from ancient manuscripts hath inserted in his version Si, If they shall fall away, that this text might not appear to contradict the Calvinistic doctrine of the assurance of salvation. The English translators have followed Beza. The biblical student will be glad to find Dr. Wells, in his elegant edition of the New Testament, frequently restoring and preferring those readings which agree with the Latin Vulgate. The same just tribute is paid to the Vulgate by Walton, Mills, Gerard, Griesbach, Harwood, and others. Indeed the Vulgate has been declared authentic in a general council, and probably expresses more of the true reading of the original or autograph, than any Greek edition that is now to be found, and certainly much more than modern versions, which are stained more or less by the preconceived sentiments of the translators. — For the earth that drinketh in the rain, &c. He bringeth this comparison, to give them a horror of abusing God’s graces and favours, and of making themselves guilty of hell fire. (Witham)

When reading Scripture one must take the whole of Scripture into account, not pull verses out of context and out of Sacred Tradition of which they are a part. Sacred Tradition is the whole of the deposit of faith given to us by Christ through his appointed Apostles and their successors, the bishop of Christ’s one, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. :slight_smile:

It is referring to certain people in those days. These people gave up their chance of salvation, in Paul’s view… It is not saying it is impossible for anybody to be saved who rejected a first offer of salvation or renounced justification once attained.

This passage flies in the face of OSAS.

You’re right, but I can’t recall hearing it used in any OSAS debate.

Notice how it says, “If they fall away, to renew them again to repentance.” We fall away by mortal sin, and are renewed by the Sacrament of Penance (repentance).

That’s a good one to remember.

speaking of tasting the heavenly gift…from Hebrews

Hebrews 10:23-29 is about the mass (eucharist) on Sunday (the day), & CCC 2178

Heb 10: (all emphasis mine)
23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for he who promised is faithful; 24 and let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, 25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the moreas you see the Day drawing near. 26 For if we sin deliberatelyafter receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27* but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries. 28* A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29* How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace?

So dissecting those passages

*]“after receiving the knowledge of the truth”, by deliberately missing mass on Sunday, (the Eucharistic celebration) is already a grave sin worthy of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries of God
*]Note: already there is an understanding that there is no sacrifice for sins as a result of one deliberately missing mass.
*]WHY is it profaning of the blood of the covenant for deliberately missing mass
*]WHY does it spurn the son of God and outrage the spirit of grace for deliberately missing mass
*]WHY does deliberately missing mass on the “Day” (Sunday) do all that to a soul?
[/LIST]When Hebrews mentions the sacrifice for sin and blood of the covenant it refers to the Eucharist. The summit of our faith.

How is that one asks?

*]Jesus used that language in Matthew 26:26-28. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins when instituting the Eucharist. Jesus further describes the importance of the Eucharist for the soul.
*]Jn 6:53 unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. Life of the soul is grace in the Eucharist.
[/LIST]Therefore, the person who "after receiving the knowledge of the truth " then deliberately misses the Eucharist on Sunday, has those consequences described above, befall them.
so for them, who deliberately miss mass (the Eucharist) on Sunday,

to recap
*]no sacrifice for sin is left for THEM.
*]they profane the blood of the covenant
*]they spurn the son of God & outrage the spirit of grace
*]judgment awaits them

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