Questions about Catholic views on Same Sex Relationships

Hello,
I am not very familiar with Catholic teachings. I know many catholics who support/have nothing against those in same sex relationships, but I’ve also talked to others who declare the opposite.

What is the official catholic teaching on a situation such as the following?

-Two men (or women, if you want) have been together for twenty-five years. They have raised two children, put them/are putting them through college. They have been faithful and monogamous to one another for all twenty-five years.

Now, in that scenario, what exactly is the catholic approach to it? Are these men sinning? Should they separate? Or are they alright?

I understand this might be a touchy subject for many, and i’m certainly not trying to stir up anything, but I never get a definitive answer on this. I have my own opinions on this, but alas, I am not a practicing catholic (I’m currently trying to decide what religion would work best for me, if any).

Thank you!

My official view:

You CAN’T decide who you will fall in true love with, it just happens. For those who fall in love with the same sex, I say it’s the exact same as a man/woman love, and thus should be recognized in the same way. The world would be a better place if more people fell in love, and fewer tried to judge that love or call it a sin or abomination from God.

God is love.

I agree with you 100%. Absolutely. I myself was raised by same-sex parents. I wouldn’t have it any other way. I may have had two fathers, but I still had plenty of female influence in my life.

However, my question remains: What is the *Catholic *viewpoint?

From the Catechism:

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

And recently, the Church’s instruction regarding so-called same-sex unions: vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

To put it simply, it’s an offense against chastity. And we’re not picking just on that act, because masturbation, fornication, pornography, in short, any sexual contract other than between a man and a woman married to each other is a grave offense against chastity. You can’t just say “love” as some kind of magic word that legitimates every act.

Thank you for that. I’m more interested in hearing from catholics themselves, though.

Also, what do you mean “so-called”? I mean, if they’re together and committed to each other…yes, it is by definition a union :stuck_out_tongue:

I am a Catholic, and of course agree 100% with the teaching. These teaching are true whether 1 billion people believe it, or only 1 person believes it. Truth isn’t determined by polling. I say so-called because same-sex marriages are legal fictions with as about as much power to bind the conscience as the Fugitive Slave Act had in 1850.

Basically,

If you are homosexual, you can never get married and never have sex, because your “love” is not valid and ever acting upon that is a sin.

This is why so many of us are “cafeteria” Catholics. Because the above belief is obviously and egregiously insulting and judgmental to all Gay people out there.

What if the teachings are NOT true.

After all, the Earth is not 6000 years old whether 1 person or 1 billion believe it.

Incorrect, feelings of love are not a reliable guide to Truth. Imagine a pedophile complaining that his “love” is not valid and everyone is being judgmental. Now, let me stop the next objection, which is usually “But it’s wrong because children cannot give consent!” This doesn’t work because the doctrine of consent is hollow, arbitrary, and, unsurprisingly eroding as the house built on sand it always was. Thus, to declare homosexual acts ok, but condemn pedophile acts is arbitrary and meaningless.

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But I was not speaking about marriage. I was speaking about relationships in general.

And I understand that what you believe to be “the truth” is, in fact, the “truth” to you.

I believe that the OP asked for the Catholic Truth, not your false answer.

Therefore, as to the OP- The official Catholic teaching on homosexuality is what was posted above from the Catechism of the Catholic Church. As for a personal reaction to the situation above (which, apparently, you want), the Catholic approach to that particular homosexual “couple” is that the “couple” must separate completely and utterly and each of the two men must remain chaste and celibate for the rest of their lives, repenting completely for the sinful lifestyle that they have led.

Homosexuality is a cross that some people are made to bear. It may not be easy, but, was Christ’s Sacrifice on the Cross easy?

There’s your answer. May God bless you and lead you to the Truths of Catholicism! :slight_smile:

There is no “what if” because the only system in which homosex can be justified is under self-refuting moral relativism. As in And I understand that what you believe to be “the truth” is, in fact, the “truth” to you. It’s logically unsustainable. Weening yourself off of moral relativism is the first step to wisdom.

Hi Angels84,

You are asking a lot more than the Church offers. She outlines general moral responsibilities; accommodating those responsibilities is up to the prudential judgment of individual persons. For instance, she tells me that I must give of my own riches to help the poor, but she does not tell me an exact amount or percentage. Such an answer would depend on my own financial situation, which could change from moment to moment.

The relevant moral principles are outlined in the Catechism section referenced by Scottgun above, namely, it is never permissible to pervert the natural and proper use of the reproductive faculty of the human person. So certainly it is not permissible for two men to live together and to commit sexual acts with one another.

I would propose – and this is my own prudential judgment hence not necessarily binding – that a same-sex couple (by which I mean something more than merely, e.g., a roommates arrangement) might continue to live together chastely (where “chaste” is understood in an emotional as well as a physical sense) provided there is no risk of scandal.

Actually your first step to wisdom is to not compare Homosexuality to Pedophilia.

You need to stop scandalizing people with this grossly misrepresentative garbage. This person is here in good faith to inquire about the teachings of the Catholic faith. If you can’t relay them effectively and honestly – and you can’t – at least have the courtesy not to confuse people.

Thank you for that answer. I do not agree with it, but at least I now know what the “official” teaching is.

Also, I wouldn’t call the other posters opinion “false”. It’s just a different view than yours.

You need to read more carefully. I’m not saying they are the same. I am saying the underlying faulty reasoning is the same. Homosexuals and Pedophiles, (and zoophiles, and whatever else you care to name) all make the same faulty arguments. All stemming from the rotten tree of moral relativism.

But a homosexual person does not need to reason or justify anything. If you’re a homosexual, then you’re a homosexual.

All chosen acts have a moral dimension. If someone has an attraction to members of the same sex, that’s not normal, but it’s not a sin either. Actually indulging in homosex is a sin. Nobody involuntarily pulls their pants off to put it bluntly. Moreover, a disposition to do something in no way justifies doing it. Or to put it this way, many men have a disposition to have sex with every attractive woman they see. That doesn’t make it right to do so.

Crow, Suppose you fall in love with four people. Can you marry them all?

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