Quinceañera in Lutheran church?


#1

My husband and I just received an invitation to a Quince for his cousin in Texas. The invitation said "please join me and witness me present myself to God at such and such Lutheran church"

First of all I definitely thought they were Catholic, but besides that, I was unaware that protestant Latinos celebrated Quinceañeras at church! A quince is a Latino Catholic tradition in which a 15 year old girl presents herself to the Church and promises to follow Mary as her model for womanhood and to devote herself to Jesus. Its a very Marian ceremony and is celebrated with a full Mass. I've never heard of one outside of a Catholic church.

Anyone else been to one or heard of one?


#2

From the LCMS’s Concordia Seminary in St. Louis, this:

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Jon


#3

A Local ELCA Lutheran Church has a Spanish speaking Lutheran church that meets early - they're from Mexico and trace their church back to the German immigrants to Mexico. I'll admit that the thought of Lutherans in Mexico never crossed my mind, but boy was I'm impressed with what I saw of the service - very liturgically correct, yet very humble and gracious.


#4

Most of the quinceaneras I’ve been don’t have a whole lot to do with any church. Mexico’s culture is becoming increasingly secularized. The young women definitely don’t try to emmulate Our Lady.


#5

Quinceañeras may be very religious or entirely secular, depending on the family. In any case, Spanish-speaking Lutherans, Methodists, Anglicans and even evangelicals, Baptists, Adventists and Mormons have always celebrated them.


#6

Oh yeah! I work for a RCC parish here at So. Cal and I have heard of XV’s at non-Catholic churches. Frankly, a XV is NOT a sacrament,so celebrating outside the CC is not endangering anyone.


#7

[quote="Nicea325, post:6, topic:288966"]
Oh yeah! I work for a RCC parish here at So. Cal and I have heard of XV's at non-Catholic churches. Frankly, a XV is NOT a sacrament,so celebrating outside the CC is not endangering anyone.

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Obviously not a sacrament and i certainly don't think anyone is endangered. I just never saw one before at any other kind of church, although my DH's family is Latino and Pentecostal/Evangelical. I suppose cultural norms and customs are carried over even with a change of religion. Very interesting.


#8

[quote="mt_gooseberry, post:4, topic:288966"]
Most of the quinceaneras I've been don't have a whole lot to do with any church. Mexico's culture is becoming increasingly secularized. The young women definitely don't try to emmulate Our Lady.

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That might be an uncharitable generalization. If the family and the young lady thought it important enough to celebrate in their religious community, she may very well lead a chaste life...obviously neither of us could be certain, but the gospel leads me to giving her the benefit of the doubt.


#9

You’d be surprised at Luther’s belief’s of our Blessed Virgin Mary:

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=788

excerpt:

Probably the most astonishing Marian belief of Luther is his acceptance of Mary’s Immaculate Conception, which wasn’t even definitively proclaimed as dogma by the Catholic Church until 1854. Concerning this question there is some dispute, over the technical aspects of medieval theories of conception and the soul, and whether or not Luther later changed his mind. Even some eminent Lutheran scholars, however, such as Arthur Carl Piepkorn (1907-73) of Concordia Seminary in St. Louis, maintain his unswerving acceptance of the doctrine. Luther’s words follow:

It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Mary's soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with God's gifts, receiving a pure soul infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin" (Sermon: "On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God," 1527).
She is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin—something exceedingly great. For God's grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil. (Personal {"Little"} Prayer Book, 1522).

Later references to the Immaculate Conception appear in his House sermon for Christmas (1533) and Against the Papacy of Rome (1545). In later life (he died in 1546), Luther did not believe that this doctrine should be imposed on all believers, since he felt that the Bible didn’t explicitly and formally teach it. Such a view is consistent with his notion of sola Scriptura and is similar to his opinion on the bodily Assumption of the Virgin, which he never denied—although he was highly critical of what he felt were excesses in the celebration of this Feast. In his sermon of August 15, 1522, the last time he preached on the Feast of the Assumption, he stated:

There can he no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing about it, we can make of it no article of faith... It is enough to know that she lives in Christ.

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