random questions

So I had some random questions that I am trying to ask my priest but he is exceptionally busy and while I wait for him to be available I figured I may get other opinions, since I’d like to get this off my chest.

  1. If say, a person began using a ouija board or some other occultic or otherwise evil thing, could their clothes or something else become cursed or possessed or something? Kinda complicated but is it ok for me to wear these clothes?

  2. If a person was doing something like this could thing they use or touch become possessed or cursed? Should i then not use them?

  3. Finally if an objectively neutral object like a computer, was used in occultic or evil ways should i then not use it?
    Thanks all!
    Dan

I can only tell you that using or posessing a ouija board or any supernatural, magical, or occult item or method is always wrong regardless of intention.

I don’t personally believe your clothing would be possessed. How far would that line of thinking go? Would you move out of your home since it the evil was enacted there? Certainly not! Just destroy the board.

Using the computer for any evil purpose is wtong whether it is for occult, pornographic, or other reasons. The “evil”, though is in the sinner himself, not the machine. However, if the ownership of the computer should serve as a temptation to continue the illucit activities it would be best to sell or donate it after washing the drive.

The Ouija board was introduced as a board game, and was intended to be used as a way to contact the spirits of angels, demons or the dead. This is a dangerous practice. People have approached me about this and expressed their concern over my “hard-line stance on a board game.” This is precisely one of the big problems here: Disguising a fundamentally evil spiritual practice as a game for kids is, in my mind, the definition of evil.
Take a look at this passage:

[INDENT]Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord. (Deuteronomy 18:10–12a)

The Scripture is clear, and many exorcists in the Catholic Church speak very strongly against the Ouija board. Whether we intend it for “fun” or not is irrelevant. It’s a loaded spiritual gun and we should destroy any of these things that are in our home.

-Fr. Joseph Krupp
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CCC

Divination and magic

2115 God can reveal the future to his prophets or to other saints. Still, a sound Christian attitude consists in putting oneself confidently into the hands of Providence for whatever concerns the future, and **giving up all unhealthy curiosity **about it. Improvidence, however, can constitute a lack of responsibility.

2116 All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future.48 Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.

2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are **gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. **These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:

2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others—even if this were for the sake of restoring their health—are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity. Source: usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/epub/index.cfm#

Personally, I would steer clear of occult things. With regard to the computer question, if I was borrowing it, I would pray first and avoid seeing the search history or other contents. If I bought or was given the computer, I would pray, delete all the search history and any documents and pictures and basically clean up the contents. The computer in itself was not designed as an occult item and was simply misused, therefore, it is a tool - unlike a ouji board which is built as an occult item.

As for the question of clothes, it depends, If they are normal clothes, maybe you could sprinkle them with Holy Water if you absolutely have to wear them. But if the clothes are used in an occult ceremony or for other occult purposes, I would suggest that would not be on.

That is just my penny’s worth, however, from your thread I would suggest you email your priest and ask to make an appointment to discuss this as it appears that there is more going on than clothes, computers and ouiji boards. Once he has the full story, your priest will be able to give you more help than you could get from a forum. Please don’t delay, no matter how busy a priest is, they always willingly find the time to provide spiritual direction. May God bless you.

To the person above me, the question with clothes I is really more hypothetical than based on a real story and they were not involved in an occult ceremony. The association was accidental, however, I was hanging out with my friends when one of them said something I thought was an evil prayer. It wasn’t. But after he said it I felt like I should leave (thinking it was an evil prayer). Regardless of the fact that I disobeyed my conscience, I am worried that I was somehow letting the devil in in not leaving. Similar story with the computer, I’m just giving hypothetical worst case scenarios. What do you think of my situation?

I know I am scrupulous and I was diagnosed with ocd but you can never be too cautious

I don’t think you can be possessed by using a ouija board. If you think you can you underestimate God’s power.

To Avila,

I can’t edit my last post but to clarify I know that I was not objectively letting the devil in because my friend was not doing some occult thing however at the time I thought he was and was worried about sinning in that way; somehow letting the devil in.

To Scott,

It would still be a sin

Thank you for clarifying. Please make the appointment with your priest, as I think it would be helpful to have a face to face discussion, that way if you have further questions, he can help immediately. In the interim, remember you did not invite the devil in simply by thinking that someone said a wrong prayer near you. You asked for clarification instead of instantly and wrongly judging him. God knows your heart and soul and He loves you. You may like to consider what I have been doing in a different (but painfully worrying time) which was to take deep breaths and when the thoughts come back, I prayed a prayer of praise to focus on God and then prayer for others. I realised I had asked for God’s help and whilst I was waiting, I thought I would focus on others. It may help.

Have you found the OCD/Scrupulosity Group on CAF? The URL is: forums.catholic.com/group.php?groupid=454?styleid=18. It is a closed group and offers some help and resources.

Posted this before I saw your response. Hope it helps.

Not only that, Duke University conducted a study that lasted several decades of polling thousands of people who used Ouija boards and found that a little more than 61% had received blatantly malicious messages from them.
Secular psychologists tend to agree that you shouldn’t touch them if you put belief into them. Why? Because the placebo effect applies at the very least can have a very negative effect on the person.
Although, the person likely to use it, is likely to believe that it’ll work at some level of their conscience.
I do believe in demons. My time spent near Somalian refugees taught me that they exist. The church is right that they anything that could potentially(significant) bring a more blatant demonic influence into your life should be avoided.

Do you think the clothes are wearable then?

It depends. What evidence did the state have for the witches in Salem?

There have been many reports of late of extremely negative experience with these Quija boards, especially from an entity called Zo Zo, sexual and mental attacks have been reported through out the country all naming this entity which I and many believe is a demon. This entity had told many through the board that the board its self was a door way to this realm. These boards are an occult instrument and not to be toyed with.

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