Rebuttals for same sex marriage PLEASE!


#525

Yet, Christians children must suffer the indoctrination of the culture of death, how is that just and fair?

Maran atha!

Angel


#526

I’m going to repeat this, because you don’t seem to understand. Contraception is not going anywhere. So yes, the pill has its side-effects and risks, but the only way it goes away is because a better form of contraception comes along. Catholics may be bound by Catholic teaching, but the Catholic Church has absolutely no authority over the State.


#527

That’s the fallacy.

The culture bombards people with multiple sexual encounter as well as multiple sexual engagements (homo/hetero/animal); then it proposes that there are ways to mitigate the damage… remember the aids epidemic and the sex clubs?.. then someone came up with the “drugs that can halt the aids” and the clubbing and “encounters” resumed… (not to mention the individuals who knowingly engaged others spreading the aids and other stds), ‘because there are cures or will force “them” to produce cures.’

Maran atha!

Angel


#528

Keeping people ignorant is not a solution. If you want your children to be ignorant of the risks of sexual activity, that’s your business, and in most jurisdictions you are permitted to withdraw them from sex education. But my kids went, with my permission.

I live in a secular country, not in a theocracy.


#529

…because they must be accepted as “Sacramental” unions where all Christians would celebrate their coming together to form one body, in Christ…

That’s the problem. It is not enough to claim that they are right or that they are legit–they want religious rights to be what they “choose” to be… problem is, God does not engage in giving man the right to go against Him!

Maran atha!

Angel


#530

Yeah, you keep sidestepping the New Covenant’s continuance of God’s Law:

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. (Romans 1)

God not only rejects the homosexuals but also those who pretend to be so nice and loving and merciful and just to support the homosexual “choice.”

Maran atha!

Angel


#531

But it can propose a healthier lifestyle to the state.


#532

The problem is that what you spouse (and has been done) is pretend that there’s a cure so just go ahead an be homosexual; pretend that it’s the Church forcing mandates on man that God is just a ok with whatever man wants to do and that fallacy keeps the wide gate and ample road full of traffic; “sex education and free needles” programs were supposed to keep stds down to minimum, promote healthy sex without unwanted pregnancy and reduce the “need” for abortions… instead promiscuity and multiple sex partners and sex experimentation has continued to grow… as a response to that these “enlightened” and “cultured” people have continuously brought down the age of the children who would be exposed to these “programs” and “implementations” (abortions, and contraceptives) to elementary-age children… what’s next, toddlers?

Maran atha!

Angel


#533

Are you saying all objections need to be unprincipled? That would be weird.


#534

Two non baptized persons (man+woman) marrying in the registry office is a valid marriage to which the church makes no objection. It is not sacramental.

Two men (baptized or not) ‘marrying’ in the registry office is the public acclamation of morally wrong behaviour.


#535

Apparently you don’t want to live in a Democracy either where someone that goes to church, God forbids, gets to vote.


#536

The goal is to create two totally separate societies defined as secular/civil and religious. The religious get very little voice in the secular media. The media has been demonstrably taken over by sexual deviants who promote fornication and any other way to have sex as normative, while two parent, heterosexual households are consistently portrayed as dysfunctional in various ways. Divorce is common along with cohabitation.

This is being done to model various deviant behaviors as normal. The goal is to promote “have lots of sex” at any cost. It doesn’t matter that there is an STD epidemic in the US. It doesn’t matter that gay, bisexual and other men who have sex with men are seeing a disproportional increase in STDs. It doesn’t matter and money needs to be spent on cures only. The behaviors will continue regardless, cure or no cure, even though the CDC recommends fewer sex partners.

Now, the only way to “improve” Western society is to sexualize it, to hypersexualize it, especially through the media and programs aimed at kids in school. If given the “power” to trample on religious freedom, the goal is to gain most if not total power, especially in the United States. That would be a Technocracy where science is god, following by the god - Change.

Now, to Catholics and all men of good will, find out what is going on yourself:

google with the words LGBT and
GLAAD
GLSEN
ACLU
Human Rights Campaign


#537

And if it were put to a vote, it looks like it would pass. It’s not like I see a lot of people hear cheering the Irish and Australian referendums. In fact, as I recall, when the Irish voted in favor of SSM, it was like the sun had fallen out of the sky around here.

At any rate, the US is a constitutional republic, a democracy to be sure, but one with checks and balances, even against voters. So not everything is simply up to popular will. That would be rule by a mob.


#538

…and then explain why it requires an activist court decision to make it happen.


#539

At the time, that was the path available. And now that it has happened no ordinary vote can correct it. You need to invoke the onerous process of constitutional change to get back to the starting position - one in which your constitution did not address SSM, but 5 judges (contradicting 4 others) found a way to conclude it was implied.


#540

Because civil liberties issues usually end up being adjudicated.


#541

Once again, you confuse “civil” rights with Constitutional rights. Civil rights are creatures of statute (subject to popular vote). Constitutional rights are creatures of the Constiutution (requirng an amendment approved by 2/3rds of the states). Not the same.


#542

Judicial activism can easily be corrected by electing a Congress and President to appoint Supreme Court justices that support the actual Constitution. No need to go back to the “starting position”, merely bring a new case in front of an improved court. No “Constitutional change” is needed because the SCOTUS case was never about the actual Constitution.


#543

If you are saying the court can reverse its own prior ruling, so be it. But if not, you will need to make the Constitution explicit about what marriage means, or change it so it is clear it does not address the matter - directly or indirectly.


#544

I’m sure God said a man is not to lay with another man as like a woman. Gods word is above man above religion above the pope so no matter how people want to justify homosexuality God said “no” so I recon play it safe and just listen to God lists not complicate it it’s sin.


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