Recurrent miscarriages--anyone used Dr. Hilgers or the Pope Paul VI institute?


#1

As many of you know we just lost our fourth baby. My OB wants me to see a specialist and I agree with him–that’s too many losses to not have something wrong. :shrug: I’m looking into the good RE’s within driving distance and am fine with seeing one of them however I know they are more IVF/IUI based of a practice. There’s no way we’ll be doing anything opposed to Catholicism but I do know I’ll be turning down stuff.

On the other hand, there’s Dr. Hilgers/the Pope Paul VI Institute in Omaha, Nebraska which is definitely not close. I guess I’m looking for BTDT stories from those of you who have seen Dr. Hilgers and his team and those who have seen a RE locally. I’m leaning toward the local dr. simply because money is a big issue–if we have to pay for everything out of pocket related to infertility it would definitely help to not have traveling costs too. Anyway, would love to hear everyone’s thoughts!

KG


#2

On the "mommies of little saints thread" Dkoinzan (I think is her name) did use the institute.

Maybe PM her?

I'm learning Creighton right now and it is good for identifying symptoms that might get missed in other NFP methods. Could that be a possible a first step for you? My instructor has access to the institute to ask about any odd symptoms I might be having.

Finally, I'm so sorry that you've had such sad losses. :( You are very strong, and of course you'll be in my prayers. :hug1:


#3

Sorry for your loss....

Yes they are the ones to see!....also know that they have trained doctors all over the place...who can help...and who can also send your case to them for review as well...

you can contact them and find a doctor near you....we did ..a 2 hour or so drive..but it is worth it! :)


#4

I have no experience with them, either, but I was going to suggest calling them and telling them just what you have written above. Maybe they will be able to do something without a visit or be able to refer you to an OB closer to you that they know... just a thought... sorry for your losses.


#5

I don’t have any experience with them, but wanted to say that our RE has not had any issue with us turning down testing/procedures that go against our religion. I wouldn’t be too afraid of that.

I am sorry for your loss, we also have lost four babies and it is heartbreaking.


#6

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#7

kevinsgirl,

I'm so sorry for your losses. I didn't realize you just lost your little one in August...Many prayers for you.

I think you're really wise to look into Dr. Hilgers and Reproductive Endocrinology. I might also suggest looking into a Reproductive Immunology specialist (one of the "big names" in that area is Dr. Kwak-Kim in Chicago). Dr. Hilgers/NaProTechnology really incorporate some of the highlights of both RE and RI, though, so I think he'd be a good first place to start.

I have not worked with Dr. Hilgers, but I am being treated by a doctor who was trained by Dr. Hilgers in his NaProTechnology methods. Dr. Hilgers is really the "best of the best," and regularly does long-distance consults. But there are also highly-trained OB-GYNs who know Dr. Hilgers's approach and will utilize the same protocols and medical/surgical treatments. You can search for providers nearby on the fertilitycare.org website.

Also, there is a great yahoo group called catholic-fertility. You have to sign up to join, which means that the group is relatively small and all of the women there are Catholics committed to following the Church's teachings when it comes to treatment for fertility problems. Many are undergoing treatment with Dr. Hilgers or through NaProTechnology, and there is a TON of collected wisdom and prayerful support to tap into on the listserv. Definitely check it out and you can get some specific questions answered (it's tough to dance around 'medical advice' on this forum!) and ask about doctors in your area. PM me if you need a link to the group's site.

God bless!


#8

Sorry for the loses, im glad at least one of them came out alive though!

But just a question, why not adopt? There are SO many lonely babies out there waiting to have a family. They are in need of a good household, and you guys sound like you would care greatly for an adopted child.


#9

We’ve considered adoption before DD and would consider it again if we can’t get pregnant. The thing is–until we find whatever is wrong and try to fix it we’re using NFP to avoid having children. I get pregnant fairly often when we aren’t avoiding and I don’t want to have more losses if there is something I can do to help those babies make it. While we’ll probably use NFP eventually to avoid, we hate to use it when we’d love more kids. So basically we’re going to try to get some immunilogical testing done for now and see where that takes us. :thumbsup:

Thanks so much to everyone who’s replied. Our state doesn’t even offer classes for the Creighton method which I know Dr. Hilgers likes his patients to use, has anyone learned that long distance?

KG


#10

[quote="kevinsgirl, post:9, topic:211936"]
We've considered adoption before DD and would consider it again if we can't get pregnant. The thing is--until we find whatever is wrong and try to fix it we're using NFP to avoid having children. I get pregnant fairly often when we aren't avoiding and I don't want to have more losses if there is something I can do to help those babies make it. While we'll probably use NFP eventually to avoid, we hate to use it when we'd love more kids. So basically we're going to try to get some immunilogical testing done for now and see where that takes us. :thumbsup:

Thanks so much to everyone who's replied. Our state doesn't even offer classes for the Creighton method which I know Dr. Hilgers likes his patients to use, has anyone learned that long distance?

KG

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Is nfp a thing where you only have sex when you're not fertile? Because if youre not going to use protection, i would say having sex when youre not fertile is the way to go.


#11

You can learn Creighton long-distance. When I was learning the method, I began with an intro session in person, but then went back to school out of state, so I would email my charts to my instructor and have phone follow-ups. I’d either call up the Pope Paul VI Institute and see who they recommend, or contact the nearest FertilityCare Center (even if it’s in the next state) and see how they are able to work with you.


#12

[quote="BlueShadow123, post:8, topic:211936"]

But just a question, why not adopt? There are SO many lonely babies out there waiting to have a family. They are in need of a good household, and you guys sound like you would care greatly for an adopted child.

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I don't mean to derail the thread or pick on you, but this question can be taken badly by couples struggling with infertility or recurrent miscarriage. It can be thrown out as an easy solution when it's really not. Adoption is not a simple process, or one that is feasible for all couples (often due to age, health, income or other factors).

Additionally, as kevinsgirl said, it's important to understand what's causing recurrent miscarriage and to try to prevent future losses. She came here for help in finding a solution to a medical problem, and while the solution hopefully involves a happy and healthy pregnancy, it is a medical problem that cannot be solved by adoption.


#13

I have used Dr. Hilger’s for several of my pregnancies, but I never personally saw him or talked to him. He will prescribe the medications you use over the phone. I just called at talked to the nurses and they took my history and then he made the recommendations and prescribed progesterone and HCG. However, I had used the Creighton method of NFP so I don’t know if that makes a difference. They like to see your charts to help determine the problems. I would give them a call.

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#14

I've never seen him either, but I hear great things. My Napro doc wants me to see him for probable endometriosis/infertility among other problems. I have even come across women recommending him and his team on non-catholic infertility blogs. I would say that is your best bet. Certainly they like you to use the Creighton Model but I bet they could tell a lot from your current chart if you are using another form of NFP. I would recommend giving them a call to at least see what your options are.


#15

Do you have insurance at all?

Usually, insurance coveres all the investigation with regard to infertility. Just not treatments that you're bound to avoid anyhow.

And it almost doesn't sound like you're infertile, but having a hard time maintaining. I'm sooooo sorry. I know the devistation. I can't imagine X4 .

Have you had any investigation done? There are so many reasons, simply corrected that can prevent a PG from sticking. I'll pray that you get an easy fix!!!! With no invasive procedures.

Oh, one last thing. IF you can keep your doctor from listing any tests as INFERTILITY... that's best with regard to insurance. And well, you're NOT infertile. The reason I mention this, is that insurance companies have a nasty little habit of denying you coverate later, IF you have to go private based on this. Best...


#16

I have a friend who used PPVI to conceive - and is currently expecting her second child, again with their help. She had a whole team, including a local doctor, and that helped cut down on travel costs. I do think she needed to travel there at least once, but her experience might still be useful. If you feel comfortable PMing me your email, I could forward it to her and ask her if she could share her story with you. She might also be able to lead you to some people with a situation more similar to yours, who are also active Catholics following Catholic teachings. Another friend had more similar issues, conceiving but losing her babies, and finally worked it out and has two more children now. I could also see if she would share her experience with you.


#17

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