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How are these claims made by Ray Hagins refuted?
Dr. Ray Hagins wrote in his article entitled The Truth of the Historical Jesus & the Mythological Christ, "Historically speaking, my research Jewish literature has revealed to me that approximately 100 years B.C.E., there was a person named Jeshua Ben-Pandira, whose who was a “bastard” (illegitimate) child. His mother was named Mary. His father, named whose name was Joseph Pandira, lived next door to Mary."
"One night he came home drunk and encountered Mary and raped her. She conceived and according to so-called Jewish custom would have been put to death, but the man that she was engaged to (Joseph Ben Stada) married her to take away her reproach. Because this child was conceived in such a manner and was therefore seen as a “bastard child;” Joseph Ben Stada took his wife, Mary, and her son Jeshua and moved to Egypt where this child received his education."
The best way to refute them isn't by "attacking" the source.
If you know of a friend or neighbor influenced by Hagins's writings (which, from this black Catholic's POV, smacks of revisionist Black liberal theology), then charitably show the historicity of the Church and of the Bible through many resources, free and otherwise, from CA.
The key that derails Mr. Hagins's train of thought is: "If Christ were a lunatic, Mr. Hagins, then he has perpetuated a brainwashing fraud so vast and powerful that even **you **have bothered to give it credence."
That, and thousands of people over the years followed that "lunatic," devoutly, even to death. That, alone, is against the natural human need for self-preservation--unless Christ wasn't a lunatic and people who followed believed because they saw and told many others later.
If you haven't friends or family affected by Hagins, do not give this false teacher any more of your time. There are more important things to do.