Catholic believe that man is made of mater and soul. Soul however is an immaterial thing and it is form of body. Soul gets separated from body upon death. Soul however cannot occupy any room since it is immaterial. This means that soul cannot be located by God. Hence the concept of resurrection is false.
This is simplistic and misleading description of Church teaching.
[quote=CCC]**II. “BODY AND SOUL BUT TRULY ONE” **
362 The human person, created in the image of God, is a being at once corporeal and spiritual. The biblical account expresses this reality in symbolic language when it affirms that "then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."229 Man, whole and entire, is therefore *willed *by God.
363 In Sacred Scripture the term “soul” often refers to human *life *or the entire human person.230 But “soul” also refers to the innermost aspect of man, that which is of greatest value in him,231 that by which he is most especially in God’s image: “soul” signifies the spiritual principle in man.
364 The human body shares in the dignity of “the image of God”: it is a human body precisely because it is animated by a spiritual soul, and it is the whole human person that is intended to become, in the body of Christ, a temple of the Spirit:232
Man, though made of body and soul, is a unity. Through his very bodily condition he sums up in himself the elements of the material world. Through him they are thus brought to their highest perfection and can raise their voice in praise freely given to the Creator. For this reason man may not despise his bodily life. Rather he is obliged to regard his body as good and to hold it in honor since God has created it and will raise it up on the last day. 233
365 The unity of soul and body is so profound that one has to consider the soul to be the “form” of the body:234 i.e., it is because of its spiritual soul that the body made of matter becomes a living, human body; spirit and matter, in man, are not two natures united, but rather their union forms a single nature.
Soul however is an immaterial thing and it is form of body. Soul gets separated from body upon death. Soul however cannot occupy any room since it is immaterial. This means that soul cannot be located by God. Hence the concept of resurrection is false.
This conclusion must be rejected based on faulty logic and untrue premises.
The resurrection is not a concept.
It is a historical fact, or not.
The presence of the Church and her writings are strong evidence that the resurrection is a historical fact.
So, Bahman, if the soul does not “occupy a room” and, therefore, cannot “be located by God,” you will have to explain how God got that little puppy into the material body the first time around – that is, when each person was ensouled at conception.
It would seem a far easier task to round up all those loose souls and replace them into resurrected bodies the second time than it would be to create and embody them in the first place.
I have this odd image in my mind of God creating a soul and before he has a chance to get it into the body, he looks around and can’t find it. “Hey, where did that little Bahman fellow go?”
Yeah, like Bahman’s body would pose no problem sitting in the palm of God’s hand, but Bahman’s soul would quite unlocatable after God conjures it up. Perhaps he has a special little tool to pin souls onto his workbench while he works on the body?
You made a similar claim in an earlier thread.
It is inaccurate however, as follows:
While it is true that a human soul occupies no space or time apart from the solid body, each human soul is already in God’s mind.
As such, it is no issue whatsoever for God to restore the spiritual body.
And how do you, in the name of omniscience, arrive at this conclusion? What else can God not do that you can form in your finite, limited mind?
You really don’t understand the concept of God do you?
The God who created absolutely everything in the universe, the God who created us in his own image and endowed us with souls, the God who holds everything in creation in existence, this God has no problem at all holding our souls until the final judgement and reuniting the billions of bodies and souls. You probably (going by your posts) don’t believe in this God, but we do. So please stop trying to tell us what our God can and can’t do. You don’t know him like we do.
Whenever there’s a new thread posted by you, you use the same arguments about God - as if God is some lesser created being.
People will quite rightly point out that that’s not what Catholics mean by God.
But then you’ll post a new thread topic, and you’ll use the same kind of arguments - as if God is some lesser created being.
And people will again point out pretty much the exact same flaws in your arguments.
I find it ironic that you’ve put your religion on your profile as “Wherever it may go” (presumably, “Wherever the truth may lead”), when it’s very obvious that you don’t believe that. The reason you’re going round in circles with your arguments again and again is because you don’t want to consider the definition of God that Catholics have offered. You don’t really want to go wherever the truth leads, because you’ve already decided that you don’t like the God of Catholicism and you won’t even consider Him as being the true God. You’ve already decided on your own definition of God, and aren’t open to being wrong.
Honestly, if you carry on ignoring the counter-arguments people give you because you don’t like to think of God as being like that, then you’ll find that “Wherever it may go” will be around in circles forever, repeating the same faulty arguments.
Right; we’ll just take your word for it. :rolleyes:
God can and does find the soul, whether the body is dead or alive. He is the creator of the soul, and there is no way a soul can escape Him.
I’ll bet God can do more than locate a soul. I’ll bet he can find out what direction it’s going at the same time.
You had the Mater part --here’s the Soul (Kia that is)
At least I tried to get it in.
By the way, this isn’t exactly what Catholics believe. Your view would more properly describe Cartesian dualism.
Catholicism’s view (at least in the Thomistic rendition of it) is slightly more nuanced than that. A man (human being) is made up of material (biological) and immaterial (intellect and volition) aspects. The soul is the nature or form of what it means to be a particular human being incorporated as a rational animal – i.e., both aspects (material and immaterial) in space and time.
It would be incorrect to say that the soul is the immaterial part while the body is the material part. That isn’t the way it is viewed, at least not as far as I can tell. The soul is the form of both the material and immaterial aspects brought together as a complete human being.
Hello Bahman, I looked up your name because I was curious and I was told it was the name of a month in the persian calendar. I do not know if you are Persian or not or Muslim or not, but I wish to warn you against a mistake I myself made for many years and that is to divide truth into opposing ideological camps and to fight and create tension among them. I think this would be a violation of the sentiment of your signature for example. Sometimes when that tension comes, it is best to just sit with it for an hour or a day and let the conflicts within yourself be resolved peacefully. What does it mean to you personally if resurrection is true or false? Do these implications bother you or make you feel uncertain? Sometimes the hardest thing is to be comfortable with uncertainty. Also, to many uncertainty seems contrary to faith because how can one have unshakeable faith with uncertainty? I am no master at this, but to me one must accept life as a whole and as a changing thing both at the same time like a river or the seasons or time it is a process not a fixed object, but within that flux and change are regularities. The same water does not go down the river moment to moment, but perhaps after a billion years some of the same water particles do. The pattern of the river is constant though… or rather it is regular for a time. For now instead of thinking of Catholicism as your enemy, think of it as a foreign land that you are exploring and you wish to be a good emissary to that land and develop loving relationships from which perhaps something greater can be built in time.
Thank you for your comment. Anyhow we know what we are talking about.
What premise is untrue. You need to provide an argument.
Resurrection of Jesus is just a claim. Never the less one need to contemplate to understand resurrection based on logic.
I don’t believe in resurrection so I don’t need to explain conception. That is your duty my friend.
Yeah that sounds quite ironic.
I repeat again: something which doesn’t occupy any room cannot be locate. This is logically impossible.
Claiming that souls are inside God’s mind doesn’t really help much. THe problem still standing.
It is based on simple argument: something which doesn’t occupy any room cannot be located.
Why is that a true statement from God’s perspective?